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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 1396473" data-attributes="member: 743">With the alternate system 50,000xp becomes a smaller price to pay (in terms of percentage of your current level) than 5,000xp does under the default system. The higher your level, the smaller that percentage is. And you can get 50,000xp from a CR 19 encounter with a 4 person party (base XP 230,000).  Potions take a standard action. Books take a total of 48 hours over a minimum of 6 days. As I said above, the destinations re the same, but the VoP feat puts a road block on one of those alternate routes.  Yes, but can you find that person? And if you do, can you convince them to grant you 5 wishes? In my campaign, any tomes that are laying around are either a) there because they were a gift that hasn't been read yet or b) there because the creator is in the process of making them (i.e. the tome is currently +3 and the creator doesn't want to read it unti it is +5).  He can borrow abook and read it, but if its a magical tome that is destroyed when read, he is no longer borrowing it, its obviously a gift.  The difference is that the VoP feat goes away if you own something, it doesn't go away if someone casts a spell on you. I agree completely that the end results are the same. However, being [Exalted] is not about end results, its about the path you take to get there.  In the absence of the VoP feat that is true. Howver, the VoP feat expressly forbids owning items. How is someone giving you a book, that they know will be destroyed, and letting you destroy it for personal gain not "owning that book."?  He would not turn it down because an inherent bonus is a possession. He would turn it down because it isn't right for him to let someone give that much of himself. Letting them target him with wishes would in no way break the vow. But it certainly wouldn't be characteristic of the selflessness that characterizes an exalted character. In some campaigns you can get away with grabbing a few exalted feats and not having the virtues that the exalted behavior section of the book lays out. Not in mine. But, the player isn't even doing it for the exalted feats. I gaurantee the character would be much more powerful if he had gear instead his VoP beneifts.   I'm not sure how the monk would react, since I'm the dM and not the player. I do know he'd be much more likely to accept the offer than he would if it involved sacrifie on the wish-granter's part. It does actually sound pretty good. Maybe I'll give him that opportunity at some point down the road. I had other options in mind for him, but that one aso sounds doable. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Heck, I hadn't even answered the post yet, much less the edit. That reply was to the preious post. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Yep, something could be done to get that monk his inherent bonus. But if it ever involves him owning a container, he loses his VoP feat benefits. I know I keep saying it, but exaltedness is not about ends, its about means.  Exactly. It isn't the bonuses, but the ownership of a 25,000+ gp book that violtes the feat/ <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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