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<blockquote data-quote="reiella" data-source="post: 1400321" data-attributes="member: 160"><p>Common sense is hardly that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p><p></p><p>A feat that grants bonus feats should be extremely strict (in my opinion).</p><p></p><p>If the Vow is only upheld when it's "convienant", then it isn't much of a Vow. To me, the idea of vows (and the extreme benefits gained from this one) represent the ideal of actually sacrificing significant amounts for your BELIEFS.</p><p></p><p>Your example of the VoPer using his ally's enchanted sword to kill the enchanted beastie is a nice internal conflict, but represents the idea of why the Vow is significant to begin with.</p><p></p><p>By the same length, would you say that someone with a Vow of Non-violence would kill a Big Bad if it becomes impossible to otherwise subdue him?</p><p></p><p>The text explicitly states that you cannot "borrow" a cloak of resistance or ANY other magic item from a copanion for even a single round...</p><p></p><p>Quick comment on the potion after rereading the block. It looks much more like "you can drink a potion of cure serious wounds a friend gives you, recieve a spell cast from a wand, scroll, or staff, or ride on your companion's ebony fly." to be a list of examples of having a magic item used on your behalf. And my opinion still is a bit harsh on the idea that the monk isn't the one performing the (in game) action of "Drink a potion"; instead it is a companion using "Aid Another" to pour a potion down the VoPs mouth.</p><p></p><p>Truthfully, I'd be ok with the Monk having wishes/miracles cast for his benefit to increase stats, although by the letter of the rules, I would not allow the tomes to be used. Of course, I'd probably go with a "Who Cares" idea in my campaign for the tome <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reiella, post: 1400321, member: 160"] Common sense is hardly that :). A feat that grants bonus feats should be extremely strict (in my opinion). If the Vow is only upheld when it's "convienant", then it isn't much of a Vow. To me, the idea of vows (and the extreme benefits gained from this one) represent the ideal of actually sacrificing significant amounts for your BELIEFS. Your example of the VoPer using his ally's enchanted sword to kill the enchanted beastie is a nice internal conflict, but represents the idea of why the Vow is significant to begin with. By the same length, would you say that someone with a Vow of Non-violence would kill a Big Bad if it becomes impossible to otherwise subdue him? The text explicitly states that you cannot "borrow" a cloak of resistance or ANY other magic item from a copanion for even a single round... Quick comment on the potion after rereading the block. It looks much more like "you can drink a potion of cure serious wounds a friend gives you, recieve a spell cast from a wand, scroll, or staff, or ride on your companion's ebony fly." to be a list of examples of having a magic item used on your behalf. And my opinion still is a bit harsh on the idea that the monk isn't the one performing the (in game) action of "Drink a potion"; instead it is a companion using "Aid Another" to pour a potion down the VoPs mouth. Truthfully, I'd be ok with the Monk having wishes/miracles cast for his benefit to increase stats, although by the letter of the rules, I would not allow the tomes to be used. Of course, I'd probably go with a "Who Cares" idea in my campaign for the tome :). [/QUOTE]
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