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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 2152581" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>The "it's not my drugs" is actually a perfectly valid defense. If you can prove it, then the charge becomes drastically different (dropping the "intent to sell" portion, which is the felony portion often).</p><p></p><p>Posession is 9/10ths of the law is a saying more about the strong surving and being able to take and hold things from others, rather than it actually being about the definition of ownership. UPS, DHL, the USPS, and FedEx do not own the packages they are delivering to me. It's just something temporarily in their safe keeping until it can be delivered to the true owner.</p><p></p><p>I know you think it is a very simple situation, but I honestly do not think your interpretation is supported necessarily by the rules or even the intent of the rules. The entire feat is based on the traditional ascetic, often that described by St. Jerome. It's a concept that has nothing to do with not holding objects on your body...it was all about denying yourself the BENEFIT of objects. An ascetic would not burden another person with the task of carrying your items until you got to the charity of your choosing so that you could donate those items...that would go against the entire concept of the ascetic. An ascetic would carry them himself, with no intent to gain any personal benefit from them. Indeed, the task of carrying the burden without the material benefit is the heart of the concept itself...that you spiritually benefit from accepting burdens. They would want to be a pack mule because it is THEIR burden which they have undertaken. It's their task to deliver the treasure to the poor...and NOT their task to make someone else do it for them. That is why, in a role playing sense, the ascetic would carry their own share of the treasure.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't say posession is banned by the way. It says ownership and use. If I take posession of treasure in the name of the poor people of the City of Overland, with intent to deliver that treasure to those poor people and without the intent to benefit from the treasure myself (except in a spiritual manner), I neither own nor use such treasure. In fact, if someone tried to take the treasure from me, I might very well (if I were an ascetic) defend that treasure by claiming that you are trying to steal from the poor people of the City of Overland, whose treasure is in your safe keeping until it can be delivered.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 2152581, member: 2525"] The "it's not my drugs" is actually a perfectly valid defense. If you can prove it, then the charge becomes drastically different (dropping the "intent to sell" portion, which is the felony portion often). Posession is 9/10ths of the law is a saying more about the strong surving and being able to take and hold things from others, rather than it actually being about the definition of ownership. UPS, DHL, the USPS, and FedEx do not own the packages they are delivering to me. It's just something temporarily in their safe keeping until it can be delivered to the true owner. I know you think it is a very simple situation, but I honestly do not think your interpretation is supported necessarily by the rules or even the intent of the rules. The entire feat is based on the traditional ascetic, often that described by St. Jerome. It's a concept that has nothing to do with not holding objects on your body...it was all about denying yourself the BENEFIT of objects. An ascetic would not burden another person with the task of carrying your items until you got to the charity of your choosing so that you could donate those items...that would go against the entire concept of the ascetic. An ascetic would carry them himself, with no intent to gain any personal benefit from them. Indeed, the task of carrying the burden without the material benefit is the heart of the concept itself...that you spiritually benefit from accepting burdens. They would want to be a pack mule because it is THEIR burden which they have undertaken. It's their task to deliver the treasure to the poor...and NOT their task to make someone else do it for them. That is why, in a role playing sense, the ascetic would carry their own share of the treasure. It doesn't say posession is banned by the way. It says ownership and use. If I take posession of treasure in the name of the poor people of the City of Overland, with intent to deliver that treasure to those poor people and without the intent to benefit from the treasure myself (except in a spiritual manner), I neither own nor use such treasure. In fact, if someone tried to take the treasure from me, I might very well (if I were an ascetic) defend that treasure by claiming that you are trying to steal from the poor people of the City of Overland, whose treasure is in your safe keeping until it can be delivered. [/QUOTE]
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