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<blockquote data-quote="htetickrt" data-source="post: 1368159" data-attributes="member: 16534">I'm &quot;playing&quot; (I'm the DM, and he's an NPC that I treat as a character) a VoP Monk in my campaign (shameless plug for the new story hour in the sig).&nbsp; He's a transport from the old 2E monk, so he's highly wisdom-centric.&nbsp; I've found that even with the intuitive attack feat, he's underpowered as far as combat effectiveness goes, but overpowered in terms of avoiding damage.&nbsp; With improved evasion and all the AC improvements in VoP, it takes elder dragons and titans and such to deal real damage, and his only risky save is fortitude.&nbsp; This is at 16th level.&nbsp;On the other hand, without ranged weapons or spells his ability to impact many battles that aren't of the steel-cage-match variety is minimal.&nbsp; I'd say that the problem with such a build is less that it is overpowered than that it makes the monk a more all-or-nothing kind of character.&nbsp; Facing enemies accessible and vulnerable to his special attacks he can be very effective, but an equal number of times he ends up with little utility.&nbsp;Changing the subject slightly, has anyone tried a VoP druid, starting from pre-wildshape levels?&nbsp; I like the roleplaying aspects, but worry that it would be unbalancing one way or another.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="htetickrt, post: 1368159, member: 16534"] I'm "playing" (I'm the DM, and he's an NPC that I treat as a character) a VoP Monk in my campaign (shameless plug for the new story hour in the sig). He's a transport from the old 2E monk, so he's highly wisdom-centric. I've found that even with the intuitive attack feat, he's underpowered as far as combat effectiveness goes, but overpowered in terms of avoiding damage. With improved evasion and all the AC improvements in VoP, it takes elder dragons and titans and such to deal real damage, and his only risky save is fortitude. This is at 16th level. On the other hand, without ranged weapons or spells his ability to impact many battles that aren't of the steel-cage-match variety is minimal. I'd say that the problem with such a build is less that it is overpowered than that it makes the monk a more all-or-nothing kind of character. Facing enemies accessible and vulnerable to his special attacks he can be very effective, but an equal number of times he ends up with little utility. Changing the subject slightly, has anyone tried a VoP druid, starting from pre-wildshape levels? I like the roleplaying aspects, but worry that it would be unbalancing one way or another. [/QUOTE]

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