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<blockquote data-quote="Riley37" data-source="post: 6483338" data-attributes="member: 6786839"><p>Hunh? I don't see the parallel. There's a general rule for *spells* not stacking with other castings of the *same* spell, and one could apply that precedent to non-spell abilities. Where is there a precedent for two *different* abilities not stacking with each other?</p><p></p><p>With the Lucky feat, that specific rule applies when when A attacks B, both A and B have the Lucky feat, and both of them try to apply Lucky to that attack roll. That's a very specific rule, about a corner case. It's parallel to advantage and disadvantage negating each other.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Cogent point. Attack rolls, saving throws and stat checks are all based on a single d20 (though d4-d12 are explicitly possible modifiers), and that is substantially different from damage dice, hit dice, etc.</p><p></p><p>If four clerics are casting Guidance, and they roll 1, 1, 2 and 4, then only the 4 applies; that's RAW. If you ruled that Song of Rest and Cutting Words work the same way (when more than one bard sings during a party's short rest, or more than one Lore Bard applies Cutting Words to a particular roll), I'd consider that RAI. If you ruled that when people apply Guidance, Bardic Inspiration, Dark One's Own Luck and Bend Luck all to a single d20 stat check, only the largest modifier of ANY of those rolls applies, then I'd call that a house rule.</p><p></p><p>I'm curious whether you select the largest modifier by absolute value, since Bend Luck can be a penalty and Bardic Inspiration can be used as Cutting Words.</p><p></p><p>Here's three examples for comparison.</p><p></p><p>Example A: Bob the Bard applies Cutting Words to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Vrax applies Dark One's Own Luck (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result?</p><p>Example B: Bob the Bard applies Cutting Words to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Otto the Other Bard applies Bardic Inspiration (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result?</p><p>Example C: Susan the Sorcerer applies Bend Luck to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Olive the Other Sorcerer applies Bend Luck (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riley37, post: 6483338, member: 6786839"] Hunh? I don't see the parallel. There's a general rule for *spells* not stacking with other castings of the *same* spell, and one could apply that precedent to non-spell abilities. Where is there a precedent for two *different* abilities not stacking with each other? With the Lucky feat, that specific rule applies when when A attacks B, both A and B have the Lucky feat, and both of them try to apply Lucky to that attack roll. That's a very specific rule, about a corner case. It's parallel to advantage and disadvantage negating each other. Cogent point. Attack rolls, saving throws and stat checks are all based on a single d20 (though d4-d12 are explicitly possible modifiers), and that is substantially different from damage dice, hit dice, etc. If four clerics are casting Guidance, and they roll 1, 1, 2 and 4, then only the 4 applies; that's RAW. If you ruled that Song of Rest and Cutting Words work the same way (when more than one bard sings during a party's short rest, or more than one Lore Bard applies Cutting Words to a particular roll), I'd consider that RAI. If you ruled that when people apply Guidance, Bardic Inspiration, Dark One's Own Luck and Bend Luck all to a single d20 stat check, only the largest modifier of ANY of those rolls applies, then I'd call that a house rule. I'm curious whether you select the largest modifier by absolute value, since Bend Luck can be a penalty and Bardic Inspiration can be used as Cutting Words. Here's three examples for comparison. Example A: Bob the Bard applies Cutting Words to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Vrax applies Dark One's Own Luck (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result? Example B: Bob the Bard applies Cutting Words to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Otto the Other Bard applies Bardic Inspiration (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result? Example C: Susan the Sorcerer applies Bend Luck to Vrax's stat check (for -3), while Olive the Other Sorcerer applies Bend Luck (for +2). Vrax rolls 15. What's the final result? [/QUOTE]
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