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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5935584" data-attributes="member: 8835"><p>Here's some things to clarify and double-check with your group:</p><p></p><p>is it the players telling you to shut up or their PCs?</p><p>Is it the Gm telling you to shut up or his NPCs?</p><p>Are some instances due to Clanism towards your PC (ventrue do not think highly of muscle-moron brjuhaha)</p><p>Are you looking for the GM to hand you quests but the GM is expecting you to initiate some action?</p><p>Are your playing your PC in a way that makes them want to shut up, despite your best intentions?</p><p>Does the GM seem to have material prepared for the other PCs to engage with, but not yours?</p><p>Does the GM and players have a perception of your PC that he is just a grunt and can't do anything else?</p><p></p><p>I certainly suspect that if something doesn't change, you and this game are a mis-match. It sounds as if the game is effectively excluding you from participating in it. Whether by design or accident, something needs to change (you quitting is effectively a change).</p><p></p><p>I also would not discount that despite your PCs social stats, you may not be portraying him as diplomatically as others might wish or take seriously. I know that some players do more harm in social scenes than good, because they are oblivious to how they come across to the NPCs. Its not just game stats, it's the mannerisms and words coming out of your mouth.</p><p></p><p>In any event, another talk with your GM is in order. Tell him you feel frustrated and that you feel like everybody else gets to do things and be involved in the campaign, but your character does not and is often directly put aside or ignored. You could certainly list off all the activities and goals the other PCs were involved in and worked on, and ask him to point out the same for your PC in what has gone on already.</p><p></p><p>At that point, don't call it an ultimatum, but tell him that if things don't change, and your PC is not enabled to participate with the material as much as the other PCs, then you see no reason to continue playing a game that you are effectively just watching go by.</p><p></p><p>Here's some game style commentary: There's a lot of different ways to run a game. Some GMs expect the PCs to drive the action, and if they fail to do so, nothing cool happens. Some GMs do not like to personalize any material just for specific players or PC skillsets. I posit that if the GM made all the PCs (you said they were PreGens), then he has an obligation to provide material that is of interest to those PCs to participate in. A GM who hands you a Fighter and puts nothing to fight in the game (very heavy roleplay) has done you a disservice. It'd be different if he told you this was a very political game, and you made a Fighter and found nothing to kill, then the mistake is on you for not paying attention to the campaign style.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Janx, post: 5935584, member: 8835"] Here's some things to clarify and double-check with your group: is it the players telling you to shut up or their PCs? Is it the Gm telling you to shut up or his NPCs? Are some instances due to Clanism towards your PC (ventrue do not think highly of muscle-moron brjuhaha) Are you looking for the GM to hand you quests but the GM is expecting you to initiate some action? Are your playing your PC in a way that makes them want to shut up, despite your best intentions? Does the GM seem to have material prepared for the other PCs to engage with, but not yours? Does the GM and players have a perception of your PC that he is just a grunt and can't do anything else? I certainly suspect that if something doesn't change, you and this game are a mis-match. It sounds as if the game is effectively excluding you from participating in it. Whether by design or accident, something needs to change (you quitting is effectively a change). I also would not discount that despite your PCs social stats, you may not be portraying him as diplomatically as others might wish or take seriously. I know that some players do more harm in social scenes than good, because they are oblivious to how they come across to the NPCs. Its not just game stats, it's the mannerisms and words coming out of your mouth. In any event, another talk with your GM is in order. Tell him you feel frustrated and that you feel like everybody else gets to do things and be involved in the campaign, but your character does not and is often directly put aside or ignored. You could certainly list off all the activities and goals the other PCs were involved in and worked on, and ask him to point out the same for your PC in what has gone on already. At that point, don't call it an ultimatum, but tell him that if things don't change, and your PC is not enabled to participate with the material as much as the other PCs, then you see no reason to continue playing a game that you are effectively just watching go by. Here's some game style commentary: There's a lot of different ways to run a game. Some GMs expect the PCs to drive the action, and if they fail to do so, nothing cool happens. Some GMs do not like to personalize any material just for specific players or PC skillsets. I posit that if the GM made all the PCs (you said they were PreGens), then he has an obligation to provide material that is of interest to those PCs to participate in. A GM who hands you a Fighter and puts nothing to fight in the game (very heavy roleplay) has done you a disservice. It'd be different if he told you this was a very political game, and you made a Fighter and found nothing to kill, then the mistake is on you for not paying attention to the campaign style. [/QUOTE]
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