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<blockquote data-quote="Ainamacar" data-source="post: 5906770" data-attributes="member: 70709">I don't think it's quite as bad you suggest.&nbsp; In particular, half the stuff in the OP's table is analysis, not information a player needs to make a character.&nbsp; Unless I've missed something really big, the amount of stuff to track in my example is slightly higher than 3.5 below level 10, about equal near level 10, and less than 3.5 above level 10.&nbsp; Of course, if you think 3.5 wizards had too much tracking anyway, I'll have to concede point. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Ignoring cantrips, a typical level 10 3.5 wizard will have about 20 spell slots (including bonus slots), or 25 if a specialist.&nbsp; That entails keeping track of 20-25 pieces of information, namely what spells are prepared.&nbsp; Spells prepared multiple times reduce that burden because one can simply note how many times an individual spell is prepared, but in my experience wizards that frequently prepare the same spells over and over are usually called sorcerers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Now, in my sample spell progression the 10th level caster will have 10 stacks, 2 of each level up to 5.&nbsp; Each stack requires two pieces of information to be fully determined: The level of the stack associated with a given spell, and the lowest spell slot that has not yet been cast.&nbsp; So this will always be 20 pieces of information to track.Maybe to make it clearer, suppose the spell sheet looked something like this (for the sake of argument please assume all of these spells have level 1-5 versions.):[code](Let the blank define that no spell slots remain.)MinSlot Stack&nbsp; Spell1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Alarm4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Charm Person&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Comprehend Languages2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Dimension Door&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Disguise Self4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Dispel Magic1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Fireball&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Haste2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Magic Missile&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Stone SkinOr in an equivalent format that shows the unused slots explicitlyas &quot;o&quot;s (perhaps a filled circle on a character sheet) and a barwhich cuts off the available slots after the stack level:Level123456789 Spello|&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Alarm&nbsp;&nbsp; oo|&nbsp; &nbsp; Charm Person&nbsp;|&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Comprehend Languages&nbsp;ooo|&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Dimension Door&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Disguise Self&nbsp;&nbsp; o|&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Dispel Magicooo|&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fireball&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Haste&nbsp;oooo|&nbsp; &nbsp; Magic Missile&nbsp; |&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Stone Skin[/code]This character has already cast the maximum level of the spell for Comprehend Languages, Disguise Self, Haste, and Stone Skin.&nbsp; Thus far this character has not cast Fireball, so all its slots are available.&nbsp; Its best spells are Charm Person and Magic Missile, and the character can tell at a glance what levels of each can still be cast.&nbsp; If the character decided to cast a 4th level Magic Missile on its next turn then on the first spell sheet one simply change 1 to 5 in the appropriate column, while on the 2nd sheet one could &quot;erase&quot; the first three &quot;o&quot;s.I'm sure there are better presentations possible, but although the information itself is unfamiliar, the volume isn't that large.Cheers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ainamacar, post: 5906770, member: 70709"] I don't think it's quite as bad you suggest. In particular, half the stuff in the OP's table is analysis, not information a player needs to make a character. Unless I've missed something really big, the amount of stuff to track in my example is slightly higher than 3.5 below level 10, about equal near level 10, and less than 3.5 above level 10. Of course, if you think 3.5 wizards had too much tracking anyway, I'll have to concede point. :) Ignoring cantrips, a typical level 10 3.5 wizard will have about 20 spell slots (including bonus slots), or 25 if a specialist. That entails keeping track of 20-25 pieces of information, namely what spells are prepared. Spells prepared multiple times reduce that burden because one can simply note how many times an individual spell is prepared, but in my experience wizards that frequently prepare the same spells over and over are usually called sorcerers. :p Now, in my sample spell progression the 10th level caster will have 10 stacks, 2 of each level up to 5. Each stack requires two pieces of information to be fully determined: The level of the stack associated with a given spell, and the lowest spell slot that has not yet been cast. So this will always be 20 pieces of information to track. Maybe to make it clearer, suppose the spell sheet looked something like this (for the sake of argument please assume all of these spells have level 1-5 versions.): [code] (Let the blank define that no spell slots remain.) Min Slot Stack Spell 1 1 Alarm 4 5 Charm Person 1 Comprehend Languages 2 4 Dimension Door 2 Disguise Self 4 4 Dispel Magic 1 3 Fireball 3 Haste 2 5 Magic Missile 2 Stone Skin Or in an equivalent format that shows the unused slots explicitly as "o"s (perhaps a filled circle on a character sheet) and a bar which cuts off the available slots after the stack level: Level 123456789 Spell o| Alarm oo| Charm Person | Comprehend Languages ooo| Dimension Door | Disguise Self o| Dispel Magic ooo| Fireball | Haste oooo| Magic Missile | Stone Skin [/code]This character has already cast the maximum level of the spell for Comprehend Languages, Disguise Self, Haste, and Stone Skin. Thus far this character has not cast Fireball, so all its slots are available. Its best spells are Charm Person and Magic Missile, and the character can tell at a glance what levels of each can still be cast. If the character decided to cast a 4th level Magic Missile on its next turn then on the first spell sheet one simply change 1 to 5 in the appropriate column, while on the 2nd sheet one could "erase" the first three "o"s. I'm sure there are better presentations possible, but although the information itself is unfamiliar, the volume isn't that large. Cheers. [/QUOTE]

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