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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7656224" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Watch your inferences here. The people whom I know in real life who came back to D&amp;D for 5E skipped 3rd edition as well as 4th, so whatever it was that turned us off, it was not 4E's approach to rules. It was something else. For me, it's a de-emphasis on build-time options like prestige classes in favor of game-time decisions, and support for a low- or no-magic game. (5E still has some things like battlemasters and feats which turn me off, but not so much that I can't live with them.) To put it differently: Bounded Accuracy existed in AD&amp;D, though not by that name, and it's probably the single most important factor in making 5E palatable to me. I know how tough an AC of 16--it means the monster's hide is like chain mail. An Iron Golem with an AC of 18 is like plate armor. I have no way to conceptualize what AC 40 is, or how it is different than AC 45. Therefore, I am very happy with the fact that in 5E (as in AD&amp;D), plate armor and a shield always gives you a &quot;good&quot; AC (AC 0 in AD&amp;D, AC 20 in 5E) and it genuinely is pretty close to optimal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7656224, member: 6787650"] Watch your inferences here. The people whom I know in real life who came back to D&D for 5E skipped 3rd edition as well as 4th, so whatever it was that turned us off, it was not 4E's approach to rules. It was something else. For me, it's a de-emphasis on build-time options like prestige classes in favor of game-time decisions, and support for a low- or no-magic game. (5E still has some things like battlemasters and feats which turn me off, but not so much that I can't live with them.) To put it differently: Bounded Accuracy existed in AD&D, though not by that name, and it's probably the single most important factor in making 5E palatable to me. I know how tough an AC of 16--it means the monster's hide is like chain mail. An Iron Golem with an AC of 18 is like plate armor. I have no way to conceptualize what AC 40 is, or how it is different than AC 45. Therefore, I am very happy with the fact that in 5E (as in AD&D), plate armor and a shield always gives you a "good" AC (AC 0 in AD&D, AC 20 in 5E) and it genuinely is pretty close to optimal. [/QUOTE]

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