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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7656335" data-attributes="member: 22779">Which is all fine Celebrim, if I had, in fact, placed that Manticore intentionally with all those questions you asked earlier answered.&nbsp; But, as I said earlier, I didn't even know that manticores lived in deserts.&nbsp; I placed the manticore there (or the roc underwater) and I was 100% WRONG.Why does that fact keep getting ignored?&nbsp; Had I had some grand plan about why manticores were appearing outside of their favoured habitat, then fine and dandy.&nbsp; But, the player was 100% right.&nbsp; For your story above to be the same as my example, Alderaan would still be there.&nbsp; THERE WAS NO REASON WHY THE MANTICORE WAS OUTSIDE ITS FAVORED TERRAIN.&nbsp; I WAS WRONG.There, is that clear enough for everyone?&nbsp; I placed the manticore there completely out of ignorance of the favoured terrain of a manticore.&nbsp; Not only that, I couldn't give a rat's petoot what the Monster Manual said because I simply do not care.&nbsp; I never bothered to read the Monster Manual.&nbsp; Heck, when people started to bitch about 4e putting Blue Dragons on the coast, I actually had to go back and read the older Monster Manuals because I had no idea that blue dragons live in deserts.&nbsp; Didn't know and certainly didn't ever care.But, the player DID care.&nbsp; He DID know.&nbsp; HE WAS RIGHT!!!Now, I steam rolled over the player and ignored his objections and played exactly the way Steel Dragons or Mistwell or others have advocated in this thread.&nbsp; And I hated it and it made for a terrible game.&nbsp; So, I don't do that anymore.&nbsp; I will change, fold, spindle or maul just about anything in the game to accommodate the players.&nbsp; I expect my players to challenge me all the time and I welcome it.&nbsp; I WANT them to be so invested in the game that they would bring knowledge like this to the table.&nbsp; FANTASTIC.&nbsp; Again, this is 100% my own table.&nbsp; It is not something I expect at anyone else's table.&nbsp; But, at my table, if you know something, speak up and we'll talk about it.&nbsp; Far better that than the alternative, IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7656335, member: 22779"] Which is all fine Celebrim, if I had, in fact, placed that Manticore intentionally with all those questions you asked earlier answered. But, as I said earlier, I didn't even know that manticores lived in deserts. I placed the manticore there (or the roc underwater) and I was 100% WRONG. Why does that fact keep getting ignored? Had I had some grand plan about why manticores were appearing outside of their favoured habitat, then fine and dandy. But, [u]the player was 100% right[/u]. For your story above to be the same as my example, Alderaan would still be there. [u]THERE WAS NO REASON WHY THE MANTICORE WAS OUTSIDE ITS FAVORED TERRAIN. I WAS WRONG[/u]. There, is that clear enough for everyone? I placed the manticore there completely out of ignorance of the favoured terrain of a manticore. Not only that, I couldn't give a rat's petoot what the Monster Manual said because I simply do not care. I never bothered to read the Monster Manual. Heck, when people started to bitch about 4e putting Blue Dragons on the coast, I actually had to go back and read the older Monster Manuals because I had no idea that blue dragons live in deserts. Didn't know and certainly didn't ever care. But, the player DID care. He DID know. HE WAS RIGHT!!! Now, I steam rolled over the player and ignored his objections and played exactly the way Steel Dragons or Mistwell or others have advocated in this thread. And I hated it and it made for a terrible game. So, I don't do that anymore. I will change, fold, spindle or maul just about anything in the game to accommodate the players. I expect my players to challenge me all the time and I welcome it. I WANT them to be so invested in the game that they would bring knowledge like this to the table. FANTASTIC. Again, this is 100% my own table. It is not something I expect at anyone else's table. But, at my table, if you know something, speak up and we'll talk about it. Far better that than the alternative, IMO. [/QUOTE]

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