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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 7656359" data-attributes="member: 67338">any person can be wrong... including the DM (IN A COOP GAME LIKE OURS)  no but the DM made a mistake and did not know that....my friends are free to question me when ever they like...  whoa.... in a thread where I keep being told I am being to know it alley and telling people how to game where do you come off commenting on any player skill with no info?  no he only failed to do so the way your group does it... by my standard it was fine...  read that again... and realize you are talking about a fellow gamer you have never met nor did you even see what happened, and to make things worse the only side you have for learning info admits HE not the player made a mistake....where are you getting this from??!?!?!!?    you just openly insulted me and my players, and a dozen other people I know... FULL STOP...WHO GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO MAKE SUCH JUDGMENTS???  and some times that distracs and sometimes it rocks...if in the middle of my game I stall for a moment and say something silly like "When you finish or need more help come find me I have a job for you"and one of my players jokes "Oh, is it on my mini map as a mission now?" we can all joke for a moment then keep going...   sometimes I just openly say things like that... and my PC love my games for it. during mystery....PC1 "Hey, I bet the gardner saw something, lets go question him..."Me "To be honest I didn't think of a gardner at all, so you go question him, he knows nothing and then..."PC1 "OK, then lets try..."I don't make my players waste time on every false lead they invent... sometimes it's ok or fun, and sometimes it's just easier to say "Oops" so maybe the GM could talk to the luke player like a grown adult and friend and ask "Why don't you get where I'm going?" or just come out and say "Trust me this is leading somewhere..."  well I can't address your hypothetical player I can give you many good examples that are similar if you want to talk about real people... I can even tell you what made me snap at a dark sun game once and literally (no really literally) bang my head on the table.[sblock]we started in a caravan pulled by horses with wagons he described as ones they gypsys in ravonloft use... three of them and ten men going two weeks through the desert. One of the first encounters we had was with kobolds(it might have been the 3rd or 4th but it was early), and the very next encounter was with a gnome illusionist... when I asked why he was so open about his magic (I was a defiler and hideing it at the time) he said he didn't know why he would hide it. The final straw was that night when we set down to camp and I said my rations were low... the DM said "Yea I don't track that stuff you always have just enough water and food no matter what..."  thud my head hit the table as another player asked him if he had ever read anything on darksun...[/sblock] except I have never met anyone like this player you describe, and as a DM who runs for players that not only am I ok with questioning me, but I actively incourage new players to do so, I think maybe you have built a strawman... and again you have read into our examples things not there... no one said anyone did half that, the Player asked a damn question... the steam rolling was not acknowledging a fellow rpg fan's feelings and interests and instead just push past it...  but you have no idea what motivated the player to bring it up, all you know is the DM blames himself for his reaction... so how can you know if it was a good bring up or a bad one??</blockquote>

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