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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sidonunspa" data-source="post: 6340447" data-attributes="member: 4360">yes at low levels it seems slight, but at 20th level your character +0 dexterity bonus is better then someone with a natural dexterity of 20 at tumbling...  most fighters would be sporting a 14 dex (+2 to Dexterity saves, which come into play Alot) that's +8 at 20th... Heck a Rouge who takes Athletics as a focus is now the god of all around athleticism (stand back fighters!) sporting a +12 in all physical pursuits.. before attributes!</blockquote>