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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 3263319" data-attributes="member: 7808">I don't believe that the subsections are limited to bonuses and penalities.&nbsp; The main section you quoted is the general rule, but the subsections are there to provide details about all effects beyond bonuses and penalties.&nbsp; A lot of the other text in this section makes no sense if you assume it is only in reference to bonuses and penalties.&nbsp; For one example, the &quot;Multiple Mental Control Effects section has nothing to do with bonuses or penalties.&nbsp; Also, the &quot;Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths&quot; and &quot;Same Effect with Differing Results&quot; sections do not make sense.&nbsp; &quot;Different Strengths&quot; says that you take the better of the two.&nbsp; &quot;Differening Results&quot; says you take the most recent.&nbsp; But if both of these sections refer only to bonuses and penalties, the only differing results you can have are differing strengths, which is contradictory (and redundant).&nbsp; Ditto for the &quot;One Effect makes Another Irrelevant&quot; and &quot;Spells with Opposite Effects&quot; sections, since bonuses and penalties can only make each other irrelevant when they are opposite effects.I maintain that when they say &quot;effects&quot; in the &quot;Same Effects with Differing Results&quot; section, they are talking about all effects, including damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 3263319, member: 7808"] I don't believe that the subsections are limited to bonuses and penalities. The main section you quoted is the general rule, but the subsections are there to provide details about all effects beyond bonuses and penalties. A lot of the other text in this section makes no sense if you assume it is only in reference to bonuses and penalties. For one example, the "Multiple Mental Control Effects section has nothing to do with bonuses or penalties. Also, the "Same Effect More than Once in Different Strengths" and "Same Effect with Differing Results" sections do not make sense. "Different Strengths" says that you take the better of the two. "Differening Results" says you take the most recent. But if both of these sections refer only to bonuses and penalties, the only differing results you can have are differing strengths, which is contradictory (and redundant). Ditto for the "One Effect makes Another Irrelevant" and "Spells with Opposite Effects" sections, since bonuses and penalties can only make each other irrelevant when they are opposite effects. I maintain that when they say "effects" in the "Same Effects with Differing Results" section, they are talking about all effects, including damage. [/QUOTE]

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