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<blockquote data-quote="touc" data-source="post: 7922449" data-attributes="member: 19270"><p>So I researched my position a bit more, and the unofficial Sage Advice is contradictory. Conclusion: you'll need to go with what works for your game. This question didn't make the official 2020 Sage Advice errata.</p><p></p><p><strong>Mike Mearls treats the Wall of Force like a pane of glass. </strong>If you can see through it, you can target through it.</p><p></p><p>(references here)[spoiler]</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2017/10/25/does-wall-of-force-block-eyebite/" target="_blank">Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2017:</a> <em>Does a Wall of Force block Eyebite? No, provided caster can see target through it. </em> Target within range that you can see must make a save against your chosen effect. This sounds identical to Charm Person.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/10/07/wall-force-barrier/" target="_blank">Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2016: </a>Does not mess with targeting that requires line of sight (operates like a pane of glass).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2018/01/10/would-a-spell-like-mage-hand-work-through-a-wall-of-force/" target="_blank">Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2018</a>: Can you cast spells like <em>Mage Hand </em>(which manifest at a spot within range) beyond a Wall of Force? Yes, so long as you can cast it to a spot you can see.</li> </ul><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p><strong>Jeremy Crawford claims the Wall of Force provides total cover, even if invisible. </strong>Ergo, the rules on total cover say spells cannot target creatures with total cover. This is the <strong>"clear path" </strong>argument. He would allow teleportation because it requires only you see your destination. <u>BUT, </u><em><u>there is nothing in the Wall of Force description that says it provides total cover, so I don't know where he got this from.</u></em></p><p></p><p>(references here)[spoiler]</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/05/30/wall-of-force-is-invisible-so-it-doesnt-provide-cover-does-it/" target="_blank">Wall of Force provides total cover, even if that cover is invisible.</a> However, some spells specifically say you only need to see your destination (e.g. Misty Step) for it to work.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Per his tweets, referenced above, <a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/04/09/targeting-spellsclear-path-can-i-target-across-wall-of-force/" target="_blank">he considers it a targeting issue. </a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ergo, you couldn't target a creature, even if you could see the creature, <a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/05/21/does-a-wall-of-force-prevent-you-from-targeting-a-creature-on-the-other-side-with-a-spell-like-hold-person/" target="_blank">with <em>Hold Person</em> because <strong>the PHB (p204) says spells cannot target creatures behind total cover.</strong></a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A pane of glass wouldn't matter. He says <a href="https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/12/30/is-a-glass-window-considered-a-total-cover/" target="_blank">a closed window would provide total cover for targeting purposes, even if you could see the target</a>.</li> </ul><p>[/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>Crawford's position, even if without textual support, matches the 3rd edition <em>Wall of Force, </em>which specifically said "<strong>spells cannot pass through the wall</strong>" though teleportation spells like <em> dimension door</em> bypass the wall (so they don't go through it). The AD&D version was nearly the same: no spells could pass through. Notably, though, the D&D 5E version chose not to use this language and instead changed it to <strong>"nothing physical.</strong>"</p><p></p><p>Ultimately, the Sage Advice 2019 release didn't address this question. I think the choice to reject the 3rd edition and AD&D version that the Wall blocks ALL spells must be given meaning.</p><p></p><p>Further, there is no textual support for Crawford's unofficial stance that an invisible wall prevents targeting or that a pane of glass prevents targeting. His entire stance is based off transparent objects providing "total cover," as if all spells were like arrows. But, arrows are physical, must travel from A to B to be effective. Spells don't work that way.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I'd rely on spell descriptions to make the call and treat the Wall of Force like a pane of glass. If a physical effect originates from you, like<em> fireball</em> or <em>scorching ray</em>, then it smacks against the wall, no effect. But if I can see it, I can target it. If the effect manifests at the point I say it manifests, then the Wall doesn't stop it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="touc, post: 7922449, member: 19270"] So I researched my position a bit more, and the unofficial Sage Advice is contradictory. Conclusion: you'll need to go with what works for your game. This question didn't make the official 2020 Sage Advice errata. [B]Mike Mearls treats the Wall of Force like a pane of glass. [/B]If you can see through it, you can target through it. (references here)[spoiler] [LIST] [*][URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2017/10/25/does-wall-of-force-block-eyebite/']Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2017:[/URL] [I]Does a Wall of Force block Eyebite? No, provided caster can see target through it. [/I] Target within range that you can see must make a save against your chosen effect. This sounds identical to Charm Person. [*][URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/10/07/wall-force-barrier/']Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2016: [/URL]Does not mess with targeting that requires line of sight (operates like a pane of glass). [*][URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2018/01/10/would-a-spell-like-mage-hand-work-through-a-wall-of-force/']Mike Mearls Sage Advice 2018[/URL]: Can you cast spells like [I]Mage Hand [/I](which manifest at a spot within range) beyond a Wall of Force? Yes, so long as you can cast it to a spot you can see. [/LIST] [/spoiler] [B]Jeremy Crawford claims the Wall of Force provides total cover, even if invisible. [/B]Ergo, the rules on total cover say spells cannot target creatures with total cover. This is the [B]"clear path" [/B]argument. He would allow teleportation because it requires only you see your destination. [U]BUT, [/U][I][U]there is nothing in the Wall of Force description that says it provides total cover, so I don't know where he got this from.[/U][/I] (references here)[spoiler] [LIST] [*][URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/05/30/wall-of-force-is-invisible-so-it-doesnt-provide-cover-does-it/']Wall of Force provides total cover, even if that cover is invisible.[/URL] However, some spells specifically say you only need to see your destination (e.g. Misty Step) for it to work. [*]Per his tweets, referenced above, [URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/04/09/targeting-spellsclear-path-can-i-target-across-wall-of-force/']he considers it a targeting issue. [/URL] [*]Ergo, you couldn't target a creature, even if you could see the creature, [URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/05/21/does-a-wall-of-force-prevent-you-from-targeting-a-creature-on-the-other-side-with-a-spell-like-hold-person/']with [I]Hold Person[/I] because [B]the PHB (p204) says spells cannot target creatures behind total cover.[/B][/URL] [*]A pane of glass wouldn't matter. He says [URL='https://www.sageadvice.eu/2016/12/30/is-a-glass-window-considered-a-total-cover/']a closed window would provide total cover for targeting purposes, even if you could see the target[/URL]. [/LIST] [/spoiler] Crawford's position, even if without textual support, matches the 3rd edition [I]Wall of Force, [/I]which specifically said "[B]spells cannot pass through the wall[/B]" though teleportation spells like [I] dimension door[/I] bypass the wall (so they don't go through it). The AD&D version was nearly the same: no spells could pass through. Notably, though, the D&D 5E version chose not to use this language and instead changed it to [B]"nothing physical.[/B]" Ultimately, the Sage Advice 2019 release didn't address this question. I think the choice to reject the 3rd edition and AD&D version that the Wall blocks ALL spells must be given meaning. Further, there is no textual support for Crawford's unofficial stance that an invisible wall prevents targeting or that a pane of glass prevents targeting. His entire stance is based off transparent objects providing "total cover," as if all spells were like arrows. But, arrows are physical, must travel from A to B to be effective. Spells don't work that way. Personally, I'd rely on spell descriptions to make the call and treat the Wall of Force like a pane of glass. If a physical effect originates from you, like[I] fireball[/I] or [I]scorching ray[/I], then it smacks against the wall, no effect. But if I can see it, I can target it. If the effect manifests at the point I say it manifests, then the Wall doesn't stop it. [/QUOTE]
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