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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7923242" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>Well, this is getting to the point of "neener-neener-I'm-right-you're-wrong" so I'll just state my reasoning for rulings on a couple of things.</p><p></p><p>Line of effect means just that. Do you have a clear line with nothing between you and the target? No? Does the spell specifically override that requirement? No? You can't target.</p><p></p><p>I don't care whether the line is blocked by a pane of glass, bullet proof glass, wall of force or a mountain. A fireball has no concussive force behind it to break glass although glass may melt or crack because of the heat. A thunderwave will break glass and potentially harm anyone behind the glass because it is a physical concussive wave that affects physical objects.</p><p></p><p>Being able to see the target is an additional qualification to the spell, it does not override in and of itself the need for line of effect. You can cast fireball into the darkness with the hopes of catching enemies in it's area of effect, you can't magic missile the darkness.</p><p></p><p>Line of effect can be blocked by any number of things including other creatures. Person in a crowd you want to cast a spell on? Could you target them with a physical attack? You can target them with spells if they meet all the other requirements. But what if it's a halfling in a crowd of humans? A crowd of stone giants? A wall of stone made to look like giants? If you don't have a direct line to them you can't target them unless the spell says otherwise.</p><p></p><p>It's a simple rule, easy to interpret and implement. I think it's also the cleanest interpretation of the rules.</p><p></p><p>As far as Crawford and Sacred Flame ... I simply disagree. The spell may come from the heavens but by his logic if it comes from the heavens then it violates all other logic without explicitly saying so. If the point of origin is the heavens, does that mean if you're in the underdark that it penetrates several miles of rock? Why would that spell and only that spell be the exception to the rule that has no explicit exception to the general rule? Or are we to assume that "the heavens" is somehow a different plane of existence? Blech.</p><p></p><p>Last, but not least, run it any way you want.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7923242, member: 6801845"] Well, this is getting to the point of "neener-neener-I'm-right-you're-wrong" so I'll just state my reasoning for rulings on a couple of things. Line of effect means just that. Do you have a clear line with nothing between you and the target? No? Does the spell specifically override that requirement? No? You can't target. I don't care whether the line is blocked by a pane of glass, bullet proof glass, wall of force or a mountain. A fireball has no concussive force behind it to break glass although glass may melt or crack because of the heat. A thunderwave will break glass and potentially harm anyone behind the glass because it is a physical concussive wave that affects physical objects. Being able to see the target is an additional qualification to the spell, it does not override in and of itself the need for line of effect. You can cast fireball into the darkness with the hopes of catching enemies in it's area of effect, you can't magic missile the darkness. Line of effect can be blocked by any number of things including other creatures. Person in a crowd you want to cast a spell on? Could you target them with a physical attack? You can target them with spells if they meet all the other requirements. But what if it's a halfling in a crowd of humans? A crowd of stone giants? A wall of stone made to look like giants? If you don't have a direct line to them you can't target them unless the spell says otherwise. It's a simple rule, easy to interpret and implement. I think it's also the cleanest interpretation of the rules. As far as Crawford and Sacred Flame ... I simply disagree. The spell may come from the heavens but by his logic if it comes from the heavens then it violates all other logic without explicitly saying so. If the point of origin is the heavens, does that mean if you're in the underdark that it penetrates several miles of rock? Why would that spell and only that spell be the exception to the rule that has no explicit exception to the general rule? Or are we to assume that "the heavens" is somehow a different plane of existence? Blech. Last, but not least, run it any way you want. [/QUOTE]
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