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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DMauricio" data-source="post: 948975" data-attributes="member: 12422">Actually, I'd have said that piercing weapons would be better against a wall of iron. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />But we're not talking about real-world science, so the Hardness rules will suffice. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I agree that Wall of Thorns should probably burn quicker when exposed to Magical Flame. 10 turns is probably a little much, though IMO most magical flame does not automatically set flammable things alight. Take fireball for example. (I don't have my DMG here so I'm not going to say its not possible)Its really up to your DM's ruling on that one. And I can accept that Wall of Thorns can keep a huge red dragon at bay for 5 rounds (probably no more than 6 or 7)A huge red dragon isn't the be-all and end-all of parties (specially not when it cannot use most of its abilities to full potential)Why is it that most people think that dragons rock no matter where they are placed?  In a big cavern where the dragon can use most of its abilities, yes, it will munch on most PCs of equivalent levels. But smartly played PCs shouldn't get beaten by a dragon with less CR than the party, specially when you are simply blocking the entrance to the dragon's lair. (you could have used Wall of Stone or Wall of Iron for that effect too - depending on how large the entrance is, and in either of those scenarios, the dragon couldn't dispell the wall even had it the ability) Given the same situation, I'd have to say, that I would probably do the same thing. Block the tunnel to prevent the dragon from coming through, then scooting out of there till we could chose our own battle ground. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Hell even make our own favourable terrain with wall of stone (or stone to mud etc)HTH Dom</blockquote>

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