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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 5985736" data-attributes="member: 92511">Took the words right out from under my fingers. Almost exactly what I was going to say...but I'mma gonna sy s'more anyhow. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The top images look a bit too much like the Orcs we saw earlier. Now, while I do consider orcs to be "goblinoids" I don't really consider them to be of the "direct" goblin line, if you get my meaning. IOW, orcs are not genetically related to gobs, hobs or bugbears...they are their own creature/species, but are just lumped in with "dangerous raiding monstrous humanoids, a.k.a. one of the goblin races/goblinoids."I guess that sort of distinction goes to the "in world view" that was discussed. Are orcs and goblins, in the fantasy world animal kingdom, the same branch of evolution? Or are they just collected together in the "civilized/goodly" races mind as both being a goblinoid? Is that something that the game should be stipulating or leaving from table-to-table, setting-to-setting to decide? I don't know that there's a "right" answer for that.The proportions are good (the long arms, shorter legs, kinda constantly hunched, etc...). I just don't know...something about it is too..."neat", if that makes sense.I also concur that the bottom left corner and the third on the bottom (with the flail) is a bit more "goblinesque" to me. The third one for the more floppy/stuck out ears (but maybe that's getting a bit too close to Pathfinder-ish, and I get that)...the first on the bottom because it does look more "weak" physically, without being comical.The top ones do not look physically weak at all! The one on the bottom right corner I was assuming was supposed to be an actual orc for comparison, guess the battle axe was throwing me off...but apparently that is supposed to be another goblin concept. Definitely too similar to the orcs...for my taste/imagination/preconceived concepts and preferences of "goblin"...I might give them more of a "nose" as opposed to lil' holes in the middle of their face. If not, then give the orcs their piggish snouts back, maybe? Everything evil doesn't need to be some pug-ish ape-like flat face.Just my 2 coppers. As always, great thought-provoking article, though.--SD</blockquote>

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