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<blockquote data-quote="Thotas" data-source="post: 6120744" data-attributes="member: 18974"><p>How would I have them look? I never figured that out. Part of why it never happened.</p><p></p><p>The two in-game modron bits that I've run into where first, playing "The Great Modron March" adventure. We played it as part of the series, and I don't think we actually finished it, because I know we went on from there but I don't remember any kind of resolution to the problems ... we just moved on. Before any modrons even showed up. And I was glad, because the whole scenario just seemed idiotic anyway. I don't know that the DM can be blamed, since I never saw the actual text of the adventure. The other was someone telling me of a game they'd played, so I don't know if it came from published material or not. The scenario was a big laughfest, though, which confused and conflated "lawful" with "legalistic/bureaucratic". It vaguely seems like it might have been part of "Castle Greyhawk", which from what I hear is pretty much in that vein, and used all sorts of creatures in silly parody mode. </p><p></p><p>The thing is, you can rightly point out that anything in the game is what we make of it. But going against the grain of how the material is presented is work, especially if you want to go somewhere with something and they players already strongly see it in a different light, because you've got to "unteach" before you teach. Imagine for a moment that we are playing, and you're DMing. You do exactly what you describe in post 92. Fine. As a player, I know that these things can hurt my character, that they have stats and they can hit me and do damage and have all manner of defenses that I don't have memorized. I know you are taking a serious approach and have a serious story. But in my mind's eye, I'm still fighting the Disney cartoon looking things that Ranger Wickett posted a pic of on the previous page, that are part of a silly redundantly inefficient extraplanar red tape generation system. I can't take them seriously in my heart. Reskin them, though, and maybe I could fear them they way I would the Borg and the Cybermen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thotas, post: 6120744, member: 18974"] How would I have them look? I never figured that out. Part of why it never happened. The two in-game modron bits that I've run into where first, playing "The Great Modron March" adventure. We played it as part of the series, and I don't think we actually finished it, because I know we went on from there but I don't remember any kind of resolution to the problems ... we just moved on. Before any modrons even showed up. And I was glad, because the whole scenario just seemed idiotic anyway. I don't know that the DM can be blamed, since I never saw the actual text of the adventure. The other was someone telling me of a game they'd played, so I don't know if it came from published material or not. The scenario was a big laughfest, though, which confused and conflated "lawful" with "legalistic/bureaucratic". It vaguely seems like it might have been part of "Castle Greyhawk", which from what I hear is pretty much in that vein, and used all sorts of creatures in silly parody mode. The thing is, you can rightly point out that anything in the game is what we make of it. But going against the grain of how the material is presented is work, especially if you want to go somewhere with something and they players already strongly see it in a different light, because you've got to "unteach" before you teach. Imagine for a moment that we are playing, and you're DMing. You do exactly what you describe in post 92. Fine. As a player, I know that these things can hurt my character, that they have stats and they can hit me and do damage and have all manner of defenses that I don't have memorized. I know you are taking a serious approach and have a serious story. But in my mind's eye, I'm still fighting the Disney cartoon looking things that Ranger Wickett posted a pic of on the previous page, that are part of a silly redundantly inefficient extraplanar red tape generation system. I can't take them seriously in my heart. Reskin them, though, and maybe I could fear them they way I would the Borg and the Cybermen. [/QUOTE]
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