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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6123427" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, I would say that it is pretty clear that keeping them the same will not gain them any more tractions.  After twenty or thirty years, both modrons and slaad are, as you say, a fairly obscure monster.  Despite numerous Dragon articles, modules based strongly around them, and pretty lengthy amounts of lore in the game, neither race has managed to really capture more than a small niche.I'd say, at this point, it's going to take a lot more than some fancy backstory to change that.  At what point do you step back and try something new?  How valuable is a niche creature that very few people actually use?  Is it worth keeping things the same to please a niche instead of trying to expand further?Take Eladrin.  Now, I've got no actual data to back this up, but, my gut feeling is that when you say Eladrin now, most people think elf, and not extra-planar kinda angel.  Eladrin have gained a lot of traction from their rewrite.  I just did a Google Image search with the term Eladrin, and, while there are a few of the Planescape images in there, the overwhelming majority were 4e Eladrin.I'd say, at least with Eladrin, there's a pretty strong case for change.  Forcing Eladrin back into the "outsider" box would be a serious mistake.  It would be like forcing Darkmantles to be Piercers again, simply because Piercers came first.</blockquote>