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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6123481" data-attributes="member: 42582">I generally agree with this. There was extra-planar D&D before Planescape (eg Gygax's DMG and MMs, and Jeff Grubb's Manual of the Planes), and there is also post-Planescape extra-planer D&D (eg 4e's The Plane Above, which includes Glorantha-style HeroQuesting).The question is not whether or not it's "constructive" or "revisionary". Even if it's constructive, it's still narrowing. Why should the game as a whole be saddled with this niche stuff?That's not sloppy design. If the old stuff was not very interesting, or not very popular, or too narrow or conoluted, then it is good game design to revisit story elements and try to make them more engaging, more widely accessible, etc. The game and its lore aren't the province of a small group of true-believing enthusiasts. Both from the commercial point of view (WotC wants story elements that will be widely popular and widely taken up), and from the community point of view (the "story" of D&D is something that every D&D player has a stake in), conservatism is not the only or even the best route.This. And it cuts both ways. The same reason for thinking that WotC may have made a mistake in its 4e-ing of the Forgotten Realms - ie an apparent upopularity with a wide range of fans - suggests that where a new story element, like the Feywild and its eladrin, has gained traction than it should be able to displace some prior, obscure version of the same element.It's not as if anyone who knows and loves the old stuff can't pretty easily adapt new stats to their old story stuff (and the 4e Manual of the Planes even laid out the Great Wheel conversion for the benefit of those who preferred it to the 4e cosmology).</blockquote>

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