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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6152569" data-attributes="member: 37579">Level Adjustment simply did not work. Did. Not. Work.However, this is very different from "could not work".The problem with LA is actually pretty obvious: PCs gain HD and powers by levelling up while monsters added their HD to their powers. A 10th level fighter had 10HD and 10 levels of special powers while a monster of equivalent power would be 10HD plus several levels of LA for an ECL of 10+ despite being equal to the fighter (if not worse). Their effective level could never be the same as a PCs' because they were essentially using NPC class levels (no powers) and adding special powers overtop. This was very apparently with Savage Species where you never received even close to the same number of bonuses as a PC class.Let's look at something simple as an example. The ogre. CR 3 creature with 4HD and a LA of 2. So an ECL of 6. Again... CR3 and ECL6. What does it get for that LA +2? A net +4 to stats (+2 higher than other races), and some natural armour. +2 strength is hardly worth of two full levels, have almost the same game effect as a +1 weapon. An ogre really feels like it should have been a level 4 (or even 3) character.As long as we playtest LA and they spend a little more time seeing how it works at all levels, I don't see it being a problem.</blockquote>