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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Quartz" data-source="post: 6153204" data-attributes="member: 40552">Just an idea but perhaps there's another way? Put aside 3E's LA and ECL and take a look at 4e's tiers and consider the monster's powers. Then allow them as PCs in the tier above. Adapt for 3E or 5E.Let's take the Siren as an example. In 4e terms it's in the middle of the Heroic tier, and its powers are a good fit for a Paragon or Epic PC. So just create a standard PC, say it's a Siren, define its song as an Encounter power and drop one of the character's other Encounter powers, define Flight as a Utility power and drop one of the character's other Utility powers. For stat boosts, simply assume they've been pre-applied to the relevant stats.  So an Ogre would be a standard Paragon PC and you just assume that the discretionary stat boosts were applied to Strength. Similarly with a Centaur PC - at a sufficiently high level you can ignore the fact that it can run faster.I suppose the point is that the monster part should be very much less than the character part.</blockquote>