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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6157672" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>I hadn't realized the results were out.. but they are.</p><p></p><p>For the most "offending" category:</p><p></p><p>[TABLE="width: 400, align: center"] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: silver, colspan: 3, align: center"]<strong>5) How important is it to you that players can make truly monstrous characters, such as gold dragons, water nagas, and green slaads?</strong></p><p>[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #E5E5E5"] [TD]I can’t run my campaign or play my favorite PC without rules for this.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]253[/TD] [TD="align: right"]9%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]My game will suffer without rules for this.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]271[/TD] [TD="align: right"]10%[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #E5E5E5"] [TD]I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]957[/TD] [TD="align: right"]35%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1211[/TD] [TD="align: right"]44%[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] </p><p>I'm reasonably sure that the last answer (44%) should be "These creatures are for slaying, not for playing." and not "I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game." (again) so I'm going to use that as my assumption going forward.</p><p></p><p>What is pretty clear to me is that 35% do not want the rules to exclude it and do not want to make others suffer. Which is definitely not the same as 80% of people (roughly the last two answer-groups together) saying to NOT work on it or put it in game.</p><p></p><p>Also, when you add in the top two groups .. "my game will suffer" and "I can't run my game without them" to that 35% then it clearly becomes 54% of people who DO want them in the game, which is larger majority than your 44% who don't.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying we should calculate it that way, it is as equally wrong as saying 80% of the people on the poll agree with you.</p><p></p><p>In addition, it is as I said before about Book of Nine Swords. I dislike that book. I will never use it or allow players in my game to select anything from that book. Not ever, not again. HOWEVER I see the value and lots of other people find it invaluable to "correcting" the imbalance in the game. I would never disallow or say the book should not be published, even if the numbers shaped up exactly as that poll did.</p><p></p><p>I would be firmly in the "I don't want others to suffer" group, and yet you are saying I would be part of this mysterious 80% that want monster-PCs scrapped.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and when I said all this I PROVIDED ACTUAL STATS, instead of repeating the same 80% figure which is simply not true (as far as I can tell).</p><p></p><p>EDIT to include:</p><p>Link to results are at the bottom, after the poll for that article's topic. <a href="http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wand/20130709" target="_blank">http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wand/20130709</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6157672, member: 95493"] I hadn't realized the results were out.. but they are. For the most "offending" category: [TABLE="width: 400, align: center"] [TR] [TD="bgcolor: silver, colspan: 3, align: center"][B]5) How important is it to you that players can make truly monstrous characters, such as gold dragons, water nagas, and green slaads?[/B] [/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #E5E5E5"] [TD]I can’t run my campaign or play my favorite PC without rules for this.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]253[/TD] [TD="align: right"]9%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]My game will suffer without rules for this.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]271[/TD] [TD="align: right"]10%[/TD] [/TR] [TR="bgcolor: #E5E5E5"] [TD]I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]957[/TD] [TD="align: right"]35%[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game.[/TD] [TD="align: right"]1211[/TD] [TD="align: right"]44%[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] I'm reasonably sure that the last answer (44%) should be "These creatures are for slaying, not for playing." and not "I wouldn’t want other people’s games to suffer because these rules aren’t in the game." (again) so I'm going to use that as my assumption going forward. What is pretty clear to me is that 35% do not want the rules to exclude it and do not want to make others suffer. Which is definitely not the same as 80% of people (roughly the last two answer-groups together) saying to NOT work on it or put it in game. Also, when you add in the top two groups .. "my game will suffer" and "I can't run my game without them" to that 35% then it clearly becomes 54% of people who DO want them in the game, which is larger majority than your 44% who don't. I'm not saying we should calculate it that way, it is as equally wrong as saying 80% of the people on the poll agree with you. In addition, it is as I said before about Book of Nine Swords. I dislike that book. I will never use it or allow players in my game to select anything from that book. Not ever, not again. HOWEVER I see the value and lots of other people find it invaluable to "correcting" the imbalance in the game. I would never disallow or say the book should not be published, even if the numbers shaped up exactly as that poll did. I would be firmly in the "I don't want others to suffer" group, and yet you are saying I would be part of this mysterious 80% that want monster-PCs scrapped. Oh, and when I said all this I PROVIDED ACTUAL STATS, instead of repeating the same 80% figure which is simply not true (as far as I can tell). EDIT to include: Link to results are at the bottom, after the poll for that article's topic. [url]http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wand/20130709[/url] [/QUOTE]
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