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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 6184866" data-attributes="member: 8461">If you go to the WotC page where the actual polling on this issue is taking place, it's just another online poll - there's no login mechanism there to stop repeat voting. There's certainly nothing to weight the data. It's just another online poll.You're ignoring what I pointed out - if you want to set their type by their thematic element, they're much more like demons than devils. Now, you can just change any monster to "make it choose to work for everyone," but that's beside the point. The point is that they're a much better fit for where they already were in the first place.This reasoning is predicated on the idea of "well they could choose to act differently, so why not rewrite them based on that?" The problem with this idea is that it postulates that they could have a motivation, and then says that since that reasoning isn't explicitly denied, it's just as valid as what is explicitly stated.Leaving aside that a lack of a denial isn't the same as an affirmation, this reasoning can be applied to anything. One could say that a pit fiend might want to destroy the enemies of Hell entirely, allowing for greater subjugation among the remaining mortals, etc. and that it depends on the individual pit fiend in question, whether based out of hatred for mortals, personal ambition, orders from higher-ups, etc. and that this individuality of motives is a chaotic quality, and so they're better off as demons. Which is ridiculous.The basic thematic differences between demons and devils (e.g. destruction versus corruption) are what they do, not why they do it. Playing to questions of motives is avoiding that issue, not reconciling it.I do too, that's the point. Devils have rigid "promotions" as part of their hierarchy; demons just change into stronger forms in no particular order, without set criteria for advancement. A demon isn't going to be worried about a promotion, per se. It's just going to want to gain more personal power, since that's all the better to causing havoc. A relatively weak demon like a succubus is (in my opinion) going to want to gain more power (which means changing forms) so it can stop pussy-footing around (see what I did there?) and get to a place where it's strong enough to level entire cities by itself.</blockquote>

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