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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1732921" data-attributes="member: 478">To refine somewhat, what I think... (EDIT: See post below also <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)  I think the most important factor to derive the cost of a magic item is the effect of the item. While the spell level is often (not always) used as a guideline in magic item creation, the final cost is based purely on the effect. There are several examples, where the final cost is lower or higher than what the formula would suggest. Also the cost for a magic item should be the same, regardless of who makes the item, since it is based on the effect and not the creator.  The information at which spell level an item is created is not part of the item's description, therefore it should be assumed, that it is always the lowest possible. A wand of hold person uses 2nd spell level, a wand of continual flame uses 2nd spell level. Anything else is a different item, i.e. wand of hold person (heightened to 3rd spell level).  The prerequisites to create a magic item does not really include the spell level. A wizard, being able to cast hold monster is able to make a wand of hold monster, since it is generally possible to make such an item, since the spell exists as a 4th level spell, a wand of hold monster also exists.  Therefore, I think that for magic item creation a spellcaster should be able to create an item based on the lowest spell level at which a spell is available to any class (prestige classes can be happily ignored here, I guess <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). Also a spellcaster should be able to make the item based on the spell level at which his or her class has the spell in question available (if possible, for example in case of the wand it would not be possible), this is similar to using a heightened spell then. Even without knowing the Heighten Spell feat, a wizard could make a wand of hold person (heightened to 3rd spell level) then, but the wizard could also make a wand of hold person, since he or she has the prerequisites for it (at 5th class level or higher, caster level would be 3rd then, of course).  To summarize, a spellcaster should be able to create an item based on the spell's actual spell level for his or her class and the lowest spell level for any class.  Bye Thanee</blockquote>

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