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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 4213525" data-attributes="member: 29252">Do note:It's not actually a balance issue (unless you're using Tome of Battle classes, or some other method that gets the non-casters up to the level of the full casters).For the same cost of that +1 Vampiric Dagger, you could pick up 24 wands of Cure Light Wounds, instead (and have a little left over).  You seriously need to go through over 6,600 hp this way (24 wands * 50 charges per wand * average (1d8+1) hit points per charge) before the Vampiric Dagger and Summon Abuse (or Minor Shapechange for temp HP) abuse actually becomes cost-effective.   If you use wands of Lesser Vigor, instead, you need to go through over 13,200 hp (24 wands * 50 charges per wand * 11 hit points per charge) before the +1 Vampiric Dagger + Minor Shapechange/Summon Elemental becomes cost effective.  Really, between when you can start doing this (9th) and 20th level, you're *maybe* going to break-even on it.Sure, it's limitless out-of-combat healing - but that's not actually as bad as you might think.  See, limitless non-combat healing strengthens the classes that are based primarily on at-will or per-encounter abilities (Fighter, Rogue, Barbarian, Ranger, Monk, and so on), but does little for the classes based primarily on per-day abilities (Wizard, Sorcerer, Cleric, and so on).  Generally, though, it's the classes that are based on at-will or per-encounter abilities that are considered the weaker classes at around the point where this technique becomes technically viable, and the classes that are based around per-day abilities are considered the stronger classes.  It's a technique that, when used for everybody, helps the traditionally weaker classes more than the traditionally stronger classes.  If anything, it makes the game more balanced, not less.  Now, if you're using Tome of Battle classes, where a non-caster can keep up with a caster, then it'll cause some issues - otherwise?  Not so much.Now, don't get me wrong - thematically, it's bizarre and not something that would seem like a good idea.  Mechanically, it just removes the DM's ability to use lots & lots of little encounters to wear the party down, and makes the weaker (at high level) classes a bit stronger without doing much for the stronger (at high level) classes.</blockquote>

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