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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 4219513" data-attributes="member: 31734">First off, you've mentioned three others who support your position, but there's at least as many of us, perhaps more, who disagree.  So, I'm not sure why you're name-dropping. Nice long description without actually being explanatory.  The problem with your position is that you start off begging the question.  You and others come out of the block saying it's twisted, evil, and whatnot and then look to that for your answer.  You then drum up an invalid analogy that proves nothing, except that it's an invalid analogy.We're starting off without the same false assumption, i.e. that the usage of a spell effect is not intrinsically aligned (aside from the possibility of the spell itself being aligned).  Note, don't confuse this with the usage of a spell effect to commit evil/good, but what the caster does to his own spell effect.To help you out, the proper analogy would be to compare the case in point to the caster conjuring a glass of water and then dumping it into the magical Fire of Healing that has the same net effect as the case in point.  Both conjure something to be destroyed and grant healing to the caster.  Both spell effects are eliminated in the process.  Now, prove that one spell effect feels pain or is evil in some way without going off the base assumption that "killing" (or causing to be "killed") your spell effect is evil.  As far as I'm concerned, that wolf is identical in concept to the glass of water.The one caveat to this is if you take out the gain.  Even then I may not argue.  I see a sort of ease in ruling summoning not unlike the holodeck of the later Star Trek shows.  We'll summon whatever you want, for whatever purpose, because it's not real anyway.  You can't be punished for doing whatever you want to do in an empty room, can you?  Nothing and absolutely no one gets harmed and nothing and no one else is even involved.  How could that possibly be evil?Now, have I helped you to understand how others think?</blockquote>

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