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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 7964522" data-attributes="member: 6988941">So far as arcana checks go wizards are potentially not even as good at being wizards as rogues are. There are certainly a number of wizard spells that radically up a rogue's game, that's why they built a whole rogue subclass around dabbling in wizardry, and in several cases (the most extreme is probably shadow blade) there are wizard spells better for rogues than they are for wizards. The arcane trickster is better at using a mage hand than any mage. Charm and disguise oriented spells are superior if you then have the social or stealth skills to augment them, which are much more likely to be found on a rogue or bard.Which is all just to say that a) many classes are awesome in various ways others are not quite as good in, even where it fits the theme of the class without that quality, and b) these class specialties may actually be of more value to some other class, but that is part of why they are more balanced for the class that gets them. The school of war magic's Arcane Deflection for example, is way more useful for a class that isn't going to want to cast a spell the next round whereas for the wizard it is often just a wimpier version of the shield spell that makes them less powerful the next turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 7964522, member: 6988941"] So far as arcana checks go wizards are potentially not even as good at being wizards as rogues are. There are certainly a number of wizard spells that radically up a rogue's game, that's why they built a whole rogue subclass around dabbling in wizardry, and in several cases (the most extreme is probably shadow blade) there are wizard spells better for rogues than they are for wizards. The arcane trickster is better at using a mage hand than any mage. Charm and disguise oriented spells are superior if you then have the social or stealth skills to augment them, which are much more likely to be found on a rogue or bard. Which is all just to say that a) many classes are awesome in various ways others are not quite as good in, even where it fits the theme of the class without that quality, and b) these class specialties may actually be of more value to some other class, but that is part of why they are more balanced for the class that gets them. The school of war magic's Arcane Deflection for example, is way more useful for a class that isn't going to want to cast a spell the next round whereas for the wizard it is often just a wimpier version of the shield spell that makes them less powerful the next turn. [/QUOTE]

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