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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7965112" data-attributes="member: 18">That is not how the math on Advantage works. It's dependent entirely on the target DC. It often works out close to +5.The point is, the Familiar is near-zero investment. If you can cast Find Familiar, you will, and if you want an optimal familiar, you will pick Owl (it's pretty much all-round the best also it's an owl and owls are awesome).Whereas you're talking about prioritizing WIS to some degree (and thus likely having a 0 mod in CHA and also STR, though the latter is generally only used for Athletics, which, sadly, includes all climbing - you might also have a lower CON as a result), then picking Perception for Expertise.Claiming the optimal design of Rogues is to pump WIS so they can scout seems like a very daring take on what &quot;optimal&quot; is. It's certainly a design that you can do - whether it's an &quot;optimal&quot; one is another question and one that depends on your party and how they operate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7965112, member: 18"] That is not how the math on Advantage works. It's dependent entirely on the target DC. It often works out close to +5. The point is, the Familiar is near-zero investment. If you can cast Find Familiar, you will, and if you want an optimal familiar, you will pick Owl (it's pretty much all-round the best also it's an owl and owls are awesome). Whereas you're talking about prioritizing WIS to some degree (and thus likely having a 0 mod in CHA and also STR, though the latter is generally only used for Athletics, which, sadly, includes all climbing - you might also have a lower CON as a result), then picking Perception for Expertise. Claiming the optimal design of Rogues is to pump WIS so they can scout seems like a very daring take on what "optimal" is. It's certainly a design that you can do - whether it's an "optimal" one is another question and one that depends on your party and how they operate. [/QUOTE]

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