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<blockquote data-quote="Halivar" data-source="post: 922188" data-attributes="member: 9327">That's so strange that the original poster has had this experience with melee classes... my experience with 3e is totally opposite.My last two characters have been a paladin and a fighter/planar champion.&nbsp; In both cases, the spellcasters, bards and clerics seemed to have use only to buff me and make me the ultimate killing machine.&nbsp; So far, the mage in our group is only useful insofar as they disintegrate any opposing mages or clerics in the first round.&nbsp; The rogue?&nbsp; Backstab +infinity-d6 is nothing but a pinprick next to my +5 power attack, especially with all the crit-range goodies I got.&nbsp; Bards and sorcers exist to give me plusses to attacks and stats.Granted, I have died more times then all my group-mates combined, but it's a small price to pay for being the only ABSOLUTELY necessary character at the table. YOMD, and probably does.Then again, maybe no one in my group knows how to play non-melee.&nbsp; I, myself, have never tried anything else.&nbsp; I think my next character will be a wizard, and we'll see.BTW, if this post is completely ignorant, forgive.&nbsp; I'm a really nice guy and hurting my feelings makes me cry... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Halivar, post: 922188, member: 9327"] That's so strange that the original poster has had this experience with melee classes... my experience with 3e is totally opposite. My last two characters have been a paladin and a fighter/planar champion. In both cases, the spellcasters, bards and clerics seemed to have use only to buff me and make me the ultimate killing machine. So far, the mage in our group is only useful insofar as they disintegrate any opposing mages or clerics in the first round. The rogue? Backstab +infinity-d6 is nothing but a pinprick next to my +5 power attack, especially with all the crit-range goodies I got. Bards and sorcers exist to give me plusses to attacks and stats. Granted, I have died more times then all my group-mates combined, but it's a small price to pay for being the only ABSOLUTELY necessary character at the table. YOMD, and probably does. Then again, maybe no one in my group knows how to play non-melee. I, myself, have never tried anything else. I think my next character will be a wizard, and we'll see. BTW, if this post is completely ignorant, forgive. I'm a really nice guy and hurting my feelings makes me cry... :( [/QUOTE]

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