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<blockquote data-quote="Videssian" data-source="post: 922224" data-attributes="member: 1990">Anditch, what do you have to work with?&nbsp;&nbsp; In other words, are you starting out at 1st with the gp that a 1st level character has, or are you starting out at a higher level (and corresponding higher gp value of stuff).&nbsp; Also, are you using a specific point-buy (28? 32? something else?).&nbsp; This kind of information will help us figure out what works best..Using the same ECL and 28 point buy as Caliban's example, a combination that I'd like to try sometime is this:28 point buy, HP = Max at 1st level, 1/2 max +1 +(CON mod)Deep Gnome8th Level: ftr 6, ill 1, bgn 1Str 12Dex 24 (base 20 +1 (@lvl 4) +1 (@ lvl 8) +2 (gloves))Con 16 (base 14 +2 (toad))Int 14Wis 10Cha&nbsp; 4HP 68AC 10 base&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 small size&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 deep gnome dodge vs all&nbsp; &nbsp; 6 celestial armor&nbsp; &nbsp; 5 mithril large shield +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7 dex (includes gloves of dex +2)&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 ring of protection +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 2 amulet of natural armor +2&nbsp; &nbsp; 4 boots of speed (haste for up to 10 rounds)&nbsp;&nbsp; --&nbsp;&nbsp; 38This leaves 4980 gp for other stuff.&nbsp; At the price of lowering your AC by 1, you'd have 11980 gp, which would be enough for a +2 wpn plus almost 4000 gp extra. The AC can be further modified circumstantially by:&nbsp; &nbsp; 1 dodge feat&nbsp; &nbsp; 4 mobility feat&nbsp; &nbsp; 7 improved expertise feat&nbsp;&nbsp; --&nbsp;&nbsp; 50In addition, if he is adjacent to one solid object like a wall, he gets a +2 dodge bonus.&nbsp; If he's adjacent to two such objects, it's a +4 dodge bonus.&nbsp; In addition, he could cast/read from scroll the shield spell. This all yields:&nbsp; &nbsp; 4 breachgnome dodge between 2 med+ size objects&nbsp; &nbsp; 7 shield spell&nbsp;&nbsp; --&nbsp;&nbsp; 61 !And if we assume that he has the weapon finesse feat and an appropriate weapon, then discounting any possible magic bonuses, he would have a Melee Attack or Ranged attacks of +15/+10, and saves of Fort +11, Ref +13, Will +6, all those possibly modified by additional feats.I've got to try this combo sometime! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Videssian, post: 922224, member: 1990"] Anditch, what do you have to work with? In other words, are you starting out at 1st with the gp that a 1st level character has, or are you starting out at a higher level (and corresponding higher gp value of stuff). Also, are you using a specific point-buy (28? 32? something else?). This kind of information will help us figure out what works best.. Using the same ECL and 28 point buy as Caliban's example, a combination that I'd like to try sometime is this: 28 point buy, HP = Max at 1st level, 1/2 max +1 +(CON mod) Deep Gnome 8th Level: ftr 6, ill 1, bgn 1 Str 12 Dex 24 (base 20 +1 (@lvl 4) +1 (@ lvl 8) +2 (gloves)) Con 16 (base 14 +2 (toad)) Int 14 Wis 10 Cha 4 HP 68 AC 10 base 1 small size 1 deep gnome dodge vs all 6 celestial armor 5 mithril large shield +3 7 dex (includes gloves of dex +2) 2 ring of protection +2 2 amulet of natural armor +2 4 boots of speed (haste for up to 10 rounds) -- 38 This leaves 4980 gp for other stuff. At the price of lowering your AC by 1, you'd have 11980 gp, which would be enough for a +2 wpn plus almost 4000 gp extra. The AC can be further modified circumstantially by: 1 dodge feat 4 mobility feat 7 improved expertise feat -- 50 In addition, if he is adjacent to one solid object like a wall, he gets a +2 dodge bonus. If he's adjacent to two such objects, it's a +4 dodge bonus. In addition, he could cast/read from scroll the shield spell. This all yields: 4 breachgnome dodge between 2 med+ size objects 7 shield spell -- 61 ! And if we assume that he has the weapon finesse feat and an appropriate weapon, then discounting any possible magic bonuses, he would have a Melee Attack or Ranged attacks of +15/+10, and saves of Fort +11, Ref +13, Will +6, all those possibly modified by additional feats. I've got to try this combo sometime! :) [/QUOTE]

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