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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6928243" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Well, in my particular case the archetype I want to play was extremely niche, so niche in fact the default class in core had little in it to actively oppose it and a lot of it to actively support it. I guess I shouldn't have expected to be able to play it from day one considering the designers promised &quot;all phb 1 classes&quot; in the phb, oh and that they did an extensive public playtesting with lots of chances for feedback yet they kept the class under wraps all along and didn't bother to ask about it on any of the polls.I know that old players have this platonic stable long-term group going on, but us youngsters don't have that privilege. You are basically blaming us for things outside our control. The game in my country was basically non-existant during the fad years and to date VTM is way more known in the collective conscience. I'm about the only &quot;active&quot; RPer on my two groups of friends and we are a very geeky crew, pickup games is as good as it gets. &quot;Get an stable group&quot; is the obvious solution, and something I wish for, but not something easy to do nor practical and not for lack of trying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 6928243, member: 6689464"] Well, in my particular case the archetype I want to play was extremely niche, so niche in fact the default class in core had little in it to actively oppose it and a lot of it to actively support it. I guess I shouldn't have expected to be able to play it from day one considering the designers promised "all phb 1 classes" in the phb, oh and that they did an extensive public playtesting with lots of chances for feedback yet they kept the class under wraps all along and didn't bother to ask about it on any of the polls. I know that old players have this platonic stable long-term group going on, but us youngsters don't have that privilege. You are basically blaming us for things outside our control. The game in my country was basically non-existant during the fad years and to date VTM is way more known in the collective conscience. I'm about the only "active" RPer on my two groups of friends and we are a very geeky crew, pickup games is as good as it gets. "Get an stable group" is the obvious solution, and something I wish for, but not something easy to do nor practical and not for lack of trying. [/QUOTE]

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