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<blockquote data-quote="Ahrimon" data-source="post: 6900684" data-attributes="member: 12630">[MENTION=6855137]l0lzero[/MENTION]&nbsp; Jump to conclusions much?The DM has one expectations, and from what he has said, his players have a different expectation of the game.&nbsp; This is causing the DM some frustration and he came here looking for advice.&nbsp; Instead he gets a bunch of people jumping all over him telling him that he's bullying them, forcing religion down their throat, or forcing them to play &quot;lip-service&quot; to things that are badwrongfun.&nbsp; Have you considered that not everyone ponders every possible solution before asking for help.&nbsp; He was frustrated and asked for help.&nbsp; Whether that help is &quot;here are some ways that may get your players more involved&quot; which fits more inside the box he was asking about; or more about &quot;have you considered that your players want a different style of game&quot; which is more outside the box that he may have considered.Regardless, he asked for advice.&nbsp; If your advice is perhaps you should try a different style of game, that is great.&nbsp; But calling him a bully or saying that he's forcing things down his players throat is an over-reaction at best and very bad advice at worse.OP,Talk to your players and if they don't want a more serious game but that is what you want to run, then perhaps you could simply step down from the the DM chair and let someone else run a game for a while.&nbsp; If the players decide they want a more serious game then you can take the reigns again.&nbsp; Either way, don't try to DM a game that isn't fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahrimon, post: 6900684, member: 12630"] [MENTION=6855137]l0lzero[/MENTION] Jump to conclusions much? The DM has one expectations, and from what he has said, his players have a different expectation of the game. This is causing the DM some frustration and he came here looking for advice. Instead he gets a bunch of people jumping all over him telling him that he's bullying them, forcing religion down their throat, or forcing them to play "lip-service" to things that are badwrongfun. Have you considered that not everyone ponders every possible solution before asking for help. He was frustrated and asked for help. Whether that help is "here are some ways that may get your players more involved" which fits more inside the box he was asking about; or more about "have you considered that your players want a different style of game" which is more outside the box that he may have considered. Regardless, he asked for advice. If your advice is perhaps you should try a different style of game, that is great. But calling him a bully or saying that he's forcing things down his players throat is an over-reaction at best and very bad advice at worse. OP, Talk to your players and if they don't want a more serious game but that is what you want to run, then perhaps you could simply step down from the the DM chair and let someone else run a game for a while. If the players decide they want a more serious game then you can take the reigns again. Either way, don't try to DM a game that isn't fun. [/QUOTE]

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