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<blockquote data-quote="Greybeard_Ray" data-source="post: 6902775" data-attributes="member: 6855429"><p>To Intently (OP):</p><p></p><p>I agree with several of the responders in this thread. Clear communication with your players is essential. Try discussing again with the group what YOU would like regarding 'immersion' and 'respect' regarding the [in-game & Out-of-Character] worship/acknowledgement of the deities of your setting. Additionally, I wish to reinforce the the suggestions about incorporating the NPC's demonstrations of faith & practice.</p><p></p><p>I STRONGLY disagree with a post made about the lack of information regarding 'Pantheons & Religious Practices' in D&D, and the Forgotten Realms in particular. I can find nearly 1000 pages of source material specific to the deities, churches, worship practices, and beliefs/dogmas of the Realms. If you need some examples of daily/seasonal activities pertinent to this, I can recommend the following books:</p><p></p><p>5e; Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide -- pgs. 19-41, and each entry regarding Non-Human races.</p><p>3.5; Faiths & Pantheons -- over 150 pages listing Deities, Church organization, Daily Practices, etc., for ALL the religions in the Realms.</p><p>2nd Ed: Demi-Human Deities, Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons -- these books list the same, with additional class-options, supplemental spells, etc. for the AD&D 2nd Edition rules.</p><p>ALL editions of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting; whether you check any of the boxed sets, or the folio/hardbound books. Each contains dozens or hundreds of pages listing a plethora of information regarding the beliefs and practices of most (or all) of the 'Religions' in the Realms.</p><p></p><p>Even into the 5e SCAG, there is a STRONG element of support of the concept of acceptance in the existence and importance of ALL of the 'deities' in the daily lives of inhabitants of the Forgotten Realms. As an example, the SCAG (pgs. 19-20), includes the following:</p><p></p><p>"Th<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">average </span>p<span style="color: #4B4C40">erso</span>n <span style="color: #3C3D31">worships </span>diff<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>r<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>nt <span style="color: #3C3D31">gods </span>in different <span style="color: #4B4C40">co</span>nt<span style="color: #5D5D4F">e</span><span style="color: #3C3D31">xts. Most </span><span style="color: #4B4C40">voca</span>tions hav<span style="color: #4B4C40">e a </span>patron d<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>ity: farmers mak<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">offerings to Chauntea for </span>th<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span>prosp<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>rity of their <span style="color: #4B4C40">cro</span>ps<span style="color: #5D5D4F">, </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">clerks sharpen </span>th<span style="color: #4B4C40">ei</span>r quills <span style="color: #3C3D31">with </span><span style="color: #4B4C40">a </span>prayer to Den<span style="color: #4B4C40">eir, </span>whil<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span>piou<span style="color: #4B4C40">s </span>merchants rememb<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>r to <span style="color: #3C3D31">set coins </span>aside for Wauk<span style="color: #4B4C40">ee</span>n <span style="color: #3C3D31">at </span>the <span style="color: #3C3D31">end </span>of th<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span>day. Most people worship <span style="color: #3C3D31">a </span>deity <span style="color: #3C3D31">associated with </span>their liv<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>lihood<span style="color: #5D5D4F">, </span>family<span style="color: #4B4C40">, </span>or home<span style="color: #4B4C40">, </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">while others </span>feel <span style="color: #3C3D31">called </span>to <span style="color: #3C3D31">a </span>particular <span style="color: #3C3D31">god </span>for <span style="color: #3C3D31">a variety of reasons. </span>Individuals <span style="color: #3C3D31">often carry or wear </span>a <span style="color: #3C3D31">small </span>token <span style="color: #3C3D31">of </span>th<span style="color: #4B4C40">ei</span>r <span style="color: #3C3D31">favored </span>deity: <span style="color: #3C3D31">a </span>p<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>ndant <span style="color: #3C3D31">or a </span>pin in the image of th<span style="color: #4B4C40">e </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">god</span><span style="color: #5D5D4F">'</span><span style="color: #3C3D31">s </span>holy <span style="color: #3C3D31">symbol, or some </span>oth<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>r personal keepsake.</p><p>In <span style="color: #3C3D31">addition, people </span>r<span style="color: #4B4C40">eg</span>ularly <span style="color: #3C3D31">venerate gods </span>based <span style="color: #3C3D31">on their </span>needs <span style="color: #3C3D31">and circumstances: a </span>farmer <span style="color: #3C3D31">whose </span>favored deity is <span style="color: #3C3D31">Chauntea </span>would pray to <span style="color: #3C3D31">Amaunator </span>for <span style="color: #3C3D31">a </span>few cl<span style="color: #4B4C40">ea</span>r<span style="color: #5D5D4F">, </span><span style="color: #3C3D31">sunny </span>days, <span style="color: #3C3D31">and a </span>Wat<span style="color: #4B4C40">e</span>rdhavian noble who habitually worships Denier <span style="color: #424237">would give </span>thanks to Sune after a successful <span style="color: #424237">coming-out </span>party for her <span style="color: #424237">son. </span>Even priests of <span style="color: #191813">particular </span>gods acknowledge the roles that other deities play in the world <span style="color: #424237">and </span>in their lives.</p><p>In general, worshipers view their relationships with the gods <span style="color: #424237">as </span>practical <span style="color: #424237">and </span>reciprocal: they pray and make offerings because that is how one invites the blessings of the gods and turns <span style="color: #424237">away </span>their wrath. These prayers and other acts of devotion <span style="color: #424237">are ge</span><span style="color: #191813">n</span><span style="color: #424237">era</span><span style="color: #191813">lly </span>performed qui<span style="color: #424237">et</span><span style="color: #191813">ly </span>at the <span style="color: #424237">shrine </span>in one<span style="color: #5B5948">'</span><span style="color: #424237">s </span>household or <span style="color: #424237">commu</span><span style="color: #191813">nity</span><span style="color: #424237">, </span>or occasionally in <span style="color: #424237">a </span>temple dedicated to one's deity<span style="color: #5B5948">, </span>when <span style="color: #424237">a </span>worshiper feels the need to <span style="color: #424237">"come </span>knocking upon a god's door" to <span style="color: #424237">ask </span>for attention.</p><p>Forms <span style="color: #424237">of </span>worship <span style="color: #424237">are </span>often acts of veneration: giving thanks for favor <span style="color: #424237">shown</span><span style="color: #5B5948">, </span>making requests for future blessings, <span style="color: #424237">and offering </span>praise for the deity's intercessions, large <span style="color: #424237">and small. </span>Because most folk in Faerun don't want to <span style="color: #424237">attract </span>the ire <span style="color: #424237">of </span>the <span style="color: #424237">crue</span><span style="color: #191813">l </span>or <span style="color: #424237">savage </span>gods, beseeching them to keep the peace is also <span style="color: #424237">an act </span>of worship. A <span style="color: #191813">hunt</span><span style="color: #424237">er </span>or <span style="color: #424237">a </span>farmer might make offerings to Malar in <span style="color: #191813">hop</span><span style="color: #424237">es </span>of keeping predators at bay, <span style="color: #424237">and </span>a <span style="color: #424237">sailor </span>might pray to Umberl<span style="color: #5B5948">e</span><span style="color: #424237">e </span>that <span style="color: #424237">she </span>withhold her wrath for <span style="color: #424237">the </span>duration of a voyage."</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">[the above is excerpted from materials Copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast, and is used without permission SOLELY to acknowledge/review their material]</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greybeard_Ray, post: 6902775, member: 6855429"] To Intently (OP): I agree with several of the responders in this thread. Clear communication with your players is essential. Try discussing again with the group what YOU would like regarding 'immersion' and 'respect' regarding the [in-game & Out-of-Character] worship/acknowledgement of the deities of your setting. Additionally, I wish to reinforce the the suggestions about incorporating the NPC's demonstrations of faith & practice. I STRONGLY disagree with a post made about the lack of information regarding 'Pantheons & Religious Practices' in D&D, and the Forgotten Realms in particular. I can find nearly 1000 pages of source material specific to the deities, churches, worship practices, and beliefs/dogmas of the Realms. If you need some examples of daily/seasonal activities pertinent to this, I can recommend the following books: 5e; Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide -- pgs. 19-41, and each entry regarding Non-Human races. 3.5; Faiths & Pantheons -- over 150 pages listing Deities, Church organization, Daily Practices, etc., for ALL the religions in the Realms. 2nd Ed: Demi-Human Deities, Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons -- these books list the same, with additional class-options, supplemental spells, etc. for the AD&D 2nd Edition rules. ALL editions of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting; whether you check any of the boxed sets, or the folio/hardbound books. Each contains dozens or hundreds of pages listing a plethora of information regarding the beliefs and practices of most (or all) of the 'Religions' in the Realms. Even into the 5e SCAG, there is a STRONG element of support of the concept of acceptance in the existence and importance of ALL of the 'deities' in the daily lives of inhabitants of the Forgotten Realms. As an example, the SCAG (pgs. 19-20), includes the following: "Th[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]average [/COLOR]p[COLOR=#4B4C40]erso[/COLOR]n [COLOR=#3C3D31]worships [/COLOR]diff[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]r[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]nt [COLOR=#3C3D31]gods [/COLOR]in different [COLOR=#4B4C40]co[/COLOR]nt[COLOR=#5D5D4F]e[/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]xts. Most [/COLOR][COLOR=#4B4C40]voca[/COLOR]tions hav[COLOR=#4B4C40]e a [/COLOR]patron d[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]ity: farmers mak[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]offerings to Chauntea for [/COLOR]th[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR]prosp[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]rity of their [COLOR=#4B4C40]cro[/COLOR]ps[COLOR=#5D5D4F], [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]clerks sharpen [/COLOR]th[COLOR=#4B4C40]ei[/COLOR]r quills [COLOR=#3C3D31]with [/COLOR][COLOR=#4B4C40]a [/COLOR]prayer to Den[COLOR=#4B4C40]eir, [/COLOR]whil[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR]piou[COLOR=#4B4C40]s [/COLOR]merchants rememb[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]r to [COLOR=#3C3D31]set coins [/COLOR]aside for Wauk[COLOR=#4B4C40]ee[/COLOR]n [COLOR=#3C3D31]at [/COLOR]the [COLOR=#3C3D31]end [/COLOR]of th[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR]day. Most people worship [COLOR=#3C3D31]a [/COLOR]deity [COLOR=#3C3D31]associated with [/COLOR]their liv[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]lihood[COLOR=#5D5D4F], [/COLOR]family[COLOR=#4B4C40], [/COLOR]or home[COLOR=#4B4C40], [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]while others [/COLOR]feel [COLOR=#3C3D31]called [/COLOR]to [COLOR=#3C3D31]a [/COLOR]particular [COLOR=#3C3D31]god [/COLOR]for [COLOR=#3C3D31]a variety of reasons. [/COLOR]Individuals [COLOR=#3C3D31]often carry or wear [/COLOR]a [COLOR=#3C3D31]small [/COLOR]token [COLOR=#3C3D31]of [/COLOR]th[COLOR=#4B4C40]ei[/COLOR]r [COLOR=#3C3D31]favored [/COLOR]deity: [COLOR=#3C3D31]a [/COLOR]p[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]ndant [COLOR=#3C3D31]or a [/COLOR]pin in the image of th[COLOR=#4B4C40]e [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]god[/COLOR][COLOR=#5D5D4F]'[/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]s [/COLOR]holy [COLOR=#3C3D31]symbol, or some [/COLOR]oth[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]r personal keepsake. In [COLOR=#3C3D31]addition, people [/COLOR]r[COLOR=#4B4C40]eg[/COLOR]ularly [COLOR=#3C3D31]venerate gods [/COLOR]based [COLOR=#3C3D31]on their [/COLOR]needs [COLOR=#3C3D31]and circumstances: a [/COLOR]farmer [COLOR=#3C3D31]whose [/COLOR]favored deity is [COLOR=#3C3D31]Chauntea [/COLOR]would pray to [COLOR=#3C3D31]Amaunator [/COLOR]for [COLOR=#3C3D31]a [/COLOR]few cl[COLOR=#4B4C40]ea[/COLOR]r[COLOR=#5D5D4F], [/COLOR][COLOR=#3C3D31]sunny [/COLOR]days, [COLOR=#3C3D31]and a [/COLOR]Wat[COLOR=#4B4C40]e[/COLOR]rdhavian noble who habitually worships Denier [COLOR=#424237]would give [/COLOR]thanks to Sune after a successful [COLOR=#424237]coming-out [/COLOR]party for her [COLOR=#424237]son. [/COLOR]Even priests of [COLOR=#191813]particular [/COLOR]gods acknowledge the roles that other deities play in the world [COLOR=#424237]and [/COLOR]in their lives. In general, worshipers view their relationships with the gods [COLOR=#424237]as [/COLOR]practical [COLOR=#424237]and [/COLOR]reciprocal: they pray and make offerings because that is how one invites the blessings of the gods and turns [COLOR=#424237]away [/COLOR]their wrath. These prayers and other acts of devotion [COLOR=#424237]are ge[/COLOR][COLOR=#191813]n[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237]era[/COLOR][COLOR=#191813]lly [/COLOR]performed qui[COLOR=#424237]et[/COLOR][COLOR=#191813]ly [/COLOR]at the [COLOR=#424237]shrine [/COLOR]in one[COLOR=#5B5948]'[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237]s [/COLOR]household or [COLOR=#424237]commu[/COLOR][COLOR=#191813]nity[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237], [/COLOR]or occasionally in [COLOR=#424237]a [/COLOR]temple dedicated to one's deity[COLOR=#5B5948], [/COLOR]when [COLOR=#424237]a [/COLOR]worshiper feels the need to [COLOR=#424237]"come [/COLOR]knocking upon a god's door" to [COLOR=#424237]ask [/COLOR]for attention. Forms [COLOR=#424237]of [/COLOR]worship [COLOR=#424237]are [/COLOR]often acts of veneration: giving thanks for favor [COLOR=#424237]shown[/COLOR][COLOR=#5B5948], [/COLOR]making requests for future blessings, [COLOR=#424237]and offering [/COLOR]praise for the deity's intercessions, large [COLOR=#424237]and small. [/COLOR]Because most folk in Faerun don't want to [COLOR=#424237]attract [/COLOR]the ire [COLOR=#424237]of [/COLOR]the [COLOR=#424237]crue[/COLOR][COLOR=#191813]l [/COLOR]or [COLOR=#424237]savage [/COLOR]gods, beseeching them to keep the peace is also [COLOR=#424237]an act [/COLOR]of worship. A [COLOR=#191813]hunt[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237]er [/COLOR]or [COLOR=#424237]a [/COLOR]farmer might make offerings to Malar in [COLOR=#191813]hop[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237]es [/COLOR]of keeping predators at bay, [COLOR=#424237]and [/COLOR]a [COLOR=#424237]sailor [/COLOR]might pray to Umberl[COLOR=#5B5948]e[/COLOR][COLOR=#424237]e [/COLOR]that [COLOR=#424237]she [/COLOR]withhold her wrath for [COLOR=#424237]the [/COLOR]duration of a voyage." [SIZE=1][the above is excerpted from materials Copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast, and is used without permission SOLELY to acknowledge/review their material] [/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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