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Message: <blockquote data-quote="William Ronald" data-source="post: 1288581" data-attributes="member: 426">Good points, Agback.I would like to say that in your first example, the defender could have tried to put diplomatic force to use and try to have a larger force kindly ask their neighbor to go back home --- and take a remedial course in map reading. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />   However, I can't really recall a real world war where the first action was merely to plant a flag. Generally, I think it only takes one foe to start a war and that self-defense is a morally legitimate doctrine.  In a campaign where gods help set the morality, not defending one's self if attacked could be regarded as a sin.  The morality of warfare in our own world is complex, and might be just as complex in an RPG campaign.Elaer, very good posts.  How have you put the doctrine of just war into use in your campaign?</blockquote>