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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sir Whiskers" data-source="post: 1292018" data-attributes="member: 6941">If this statement were true all the time, then the United States started a war with the Soviet Union with the first U2 overflight. To bring in Barsoomcore's point, the Soviet Union chose not to respond to these violations with war. Had they done so, then a war would have begun, but not before. As to the concern about blaming the victim, I don't think we should view Barsoomcore's point in a moral sense - who's to blame for the war beginning - but in a definitive sense - what is required for a state of war to exist and, therefore, what can a nation do to avoid a state of war. In all of Barsoomcore's examples, he points out that refusing to fight prevents a war. It does not necessarily absolve the aggressor of any blame for his aggression.</blockquote>