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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3221876" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>I not only think they can cast spells from the spellpool (as long as they get in using arcane preparation), but I think despite the seeming almost-consensus here the overwhelming number of users at the WOTC have the opposite answer. </p><p></p><p>Arcane preparation gets you in. As long as you actually use that feat, it functions well with this prestige class. The list of spells you can call this way is specific - the sorcerer/wizard list. They are not treated as normal spells. They cannot be learned, you pay a debt for the spell, and it must be cast within a specific relatively short period of time or else they go away. The spell "...appears in the caster's mind at the beginning of the next turn and can can be used immediately". "Can be used immediately" seems pretty clear to me. It's not a "Can be used, if the caster could otherwise cast the spell". </p><p></p><p>I do not see any reason why it would be restricted to spells on that list that are also on your normally accessible list of spells. The spell clearly does not have to be in a wizards spell book, for example. In fact, I think a wizard can even call spells otherwise on his banned list from specialization. I think that is part of the point - to give you access to the spells that other people can cast but that you cannot. It's not just sharing flexibility, but also sharing actually different sets of spells with each other.</p><p></p><p>The text of the prestige class does mention that some sorcerers, bards, and other spontaneous casters are members of the prestige class, though their numbers are so few as to be consider "almost none". It also mentions that spellcasters that do use spellbooks cannot use a particular ability (anticipating that some members do not use a spellbook).</p><p></p><p>Open spell slots and unused spell slots can exist simultaneously for both sorcerers and wizards. I believe RAW uses those terms interchangeably sometimes even, and no intent was present to make them prepared vs. spontaneous terms. </p><p></p><p>Bottom line, this doesn't overpower the warmage, looks to work by RAW from my reading, has been done by many others (usually with sorcerers) at the WOTC boards and I have never heard anyone say it broke the game or made someone overpowered. I'd say let him do it. It's not powergaming, but it could be interesting and fun.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3221876, member: 2525"] I not only think they can cast spells from the spellpool (as long as they get in using arcane preparation), but I think despite the seeming almost-consensus here the overwhelming number of users at the WOTC have the opposite answer. Arcane preparation gets you in. As long as you actually use that feat, it functions well with this prestige class. The list of spells you can call this way is specific - the sorcerer/wizard list. They are not treated as normal spells. They cannot be learned, you pay a debt for the spell, and it must be cast within a specific relatively short period of time or else they go away. The spell "...appears in the caster's mind at the beginning of the next turn and can can be used immediately". "Can be used immediately" seems pretty clear to me. It's not a "Can be used, if the caster could otherwise cast the spell". I do not see any reason why it would be restricted to spells on that list that are also on your normally accessible list of spells. The spell clearly does not have to be in a wizards spell book, for example. In fact, I think a wizard can even call spells otherwise on his banned list from specialization. I think that is part of the point - to give you access to the spells that other people can cast but that you cannot. It's not just sharing flexibility, but also sharing actually different sets of spells with each other. The text of the prestige class does mention that some sorcerers, bards, and other spontaneous casters are members of the prestige class, though their numbers are so few as to be consider "almost none". It also mentions that spellcasters that do use spellbooks cannot use a particular ability (anticipating that some members do not use a spellbook). Open spell slots and unused spell slots can exist simultaneously for both sorcerers and wizards. I believe RAW uses those terms interchangeably sometimes even, and no intent was present to make them prepared vs. spontaneous terms. Bottom line, this doesn't overpower the warmage, looks to work by RAW from my reading, has been done by many others (usually with sorcerers) at the WOTC boards and I have never heard anyone say it broke the game or made someone overpowered. I'd say let him do it. It's not powergaming, but it could be interesting and fun. [/QUOTE]
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