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<blockquote data-quote="satori01" data-source="post: 3170604" data-attributes="member: 7859"><p>I'm DM'ing for 2 Swordsages right now. One is for my secondary campaign, the Savage Tide adventure path. Everyone is 3rd level.</p><p>Right now in terms of sheer destructive power number 1 is the Barbarian, number 2 is the Warmage. The Swordsage is probably #3 but could get a run for his money from the Unfettered or the Dragon Shaman. The Barbarian could kill him in one hit.</p><p></p><p>Now in my primary 14 level campaign, a player replaced his Arcane Trickster with a 14 level Swordsage/Master of Nine combo.</p><p>I was afraid that this character would dominate compared to the established characters. First big battle, the character springs into action, using a Desert Wind Maneuver to fly across the map and land near a giant with Greater Invis on it.</p><p></p><p>Now the Swordsage has an AC of 31, the highest now in the group. He selects his square to land in, incurs an attack of opportunity, and is squished into chunky salsa as the giant hits with a giantish level of power attack. AC is one thing, but d8 hit points is another. </p><p></p><p>Likewise Swordsages have poor Fort saves; life can be hard for a melee combat monkey when you Fort save is low. The Swordsage had taken damage from poison and other effects pre-combat. </p><p></p><p>In the same exact circumstance the winged Asasimar Champion of Freedom/Fighter with mobility and Spring Attack, avoided being hit by the AOO because of Mobility, and due to a higher Fort Save,(escaping previous poison damage) and Higher HD, if she had taken the hit would still have been in decent fighting shape.</p><p></p><p>The Swordsage was handy, and with maneuvers can do good damage with a single standard action, but it was not overpowered compared to any of the the Warriors in my group, An Archer, an Unfettered/Paladin/Knight of the Pale, or the Champion/Fighter.</p><p></p><p>The balancing factor seem to be the universal factors easy to miss when reading, Saves and Hit Dice and BAB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="satori01, post: 3170604, member: 7859"] I'm DM'ing for 2 Swordsages right now. One is for my secondary campaign, the Savage Tide adventure path. Everyone is 3rd level. Right now in terms of sheer destructive power number 1 is the Barbarian, number 2 is the Warmage. The Swordsage is probably #3 but could get a run for his money from the Unfettered or the Dragon Shaman. The Barbarian could kill him in one hit. Now in my primary 14 level campaign, a player replaced his Arcane Trickster with a 14 level Swordsage/Master of Nine combo. I was afraid that this character would dominate compared to the established characters. First big battle, the character springs into action, using a Desert Wind Maneuver to fly across the map and land near a giant with Greater Invis on it. Now the Swordsage has an AC of 31, the highest now in the group. He selects his square to land in, incurs an attack of opportunity, and is squished into chunky salsa as the giant hits with a giantish level of power attack. AC is one thing, but d8 hit points is another. Likewise Swordsages have poor Fort saves; life can be hard for a melee combat monkey when you Fort save is low. The Swordsage had taken damage from poison and other effects pre-combat. In the same exact circumstance the winged Asasimar Champion of Freedom/Fighter with mobility and Spring Attack, avoided being hit by the AOO because of Mobility, and due to a higher Fort Save,(escaping previous poison damage) and Higher HD, if she had taken the hit would still have been in decent fighting shape. The Swordsage was handy, and with maneuvers can do good damage with a single standard action, but it was not overpowered compared to any of the the Warriors in my group, An Archer, an Unfettered/Paladin/Knight of the Pale, or the Champion/Fighter. The balancing factor seem to be the universal factors easy to miss when reading, Saves and Hit Dice and BAB. [/QUOTE]
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