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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 3179198" data-attributes="member: 8277">I agree completely.  My character is a Level 15Monk/Level 1 Swordsage (trying to become a shadowsun ninja) and I have to say, that a lot of the swordsage manuvers (or any of the martial adept manuvers) lack one major thing-- the ability to take a full attack action.  For this reason, my monk uses normal attacks most of the time.  I only use my manuvers when I move.The only exception is that I have a boost (tiger's leap) that lets me take a jump as a swift action instead of a move action.  This, in turn, allows me to jump up to an enemy (with my 30+ jump check) and unload my full attack action on him.  However, I do it once, and I cannot do it again until after combat.  There is a 2nd Level druid spell (lion's charge) that essentially allows the same thing, so I don't think it is very broken at all.Now my more potent manuvers essentially require me to give up my full attack action to do them.  Since I am in a mixed level game, where my 16th level character is fighting alongside 23rd level wizards and rangers, there are plenty of enemies that have DR/Epic or DR/- that we have to face.  Without the Stone Hammer strike, when we encounter such creatures, I might as well just go home for the evening, because I am worthless.  Stone Hammer actually levels the playing field a bit, allowing me to make a single attack against such creatures (and making it worth my while to show up to game).  I did chose one manuver mainly because I found it humorous-- Comet Throw.  Grab an enemy, throw him at another enemy, watch them both take 4d6 dmg.  This is a 4th level manuver, however.  A 4th Level spell doing 4d6 dmg to two creatures, after requiring you to make 2 successful dice contests with them AND gives a reflex save for half would be a joke.  Which is partly why I chose it, for laughs.  Unfortunatly, our DM does not make us fight mooks very often.  It is usually 1 or 2 big-bad monsters, which are too big for me even to try this on... Phooey</blockquote>

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