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Message: <blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3181388" data-attributes="member: 12032">In this thread I posted a very powerful swordsage build.  I think swordsages are much more powerful than warblades (which I think are also overpowered).The crusader is less of a problem because of the random nature of his maneuvers. The lack of control is very limiting.  A maneuver that aids in a charge is usually worthless if you don't get it on the first round.A warblade gets 4 bonus feats (some of which are very nice indeed: things a fighter would likely take) vs. 11 of a fighter.  It gets more skill points, class skills, and a bigger hit die.  It can take fighter-only feats.  Even without the maneuvers and stances the argument is pretty simple that a warblade is overpowered.The swordsage argument is harder because of the medium BAB.  All that said, a crusader and warblade get hosed by when they get stances.  Playing a pure warblade or crusader looks pretty sub-optimal.  I think fighter 2 followed by warblade may be the way to go.  By far the most powerful  thing about the Bo9S classes is the mult-classing rules.  A fighter 8 would be crazy to take fighter 9 (or barb 1 or whatever) over taking one of the Bo9S classes.  And oddly he will end up with a better stance (3rd level) than a pure warblade will  of the same character level!  A little odd. (The warblade will get a 5th level one at 10th level...)Mark</blockquote>