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Message: <blockquote data-quote="charlesatan" data-source="post: 3189742" data-attributes="member: 20870">The thing about feats and maneuvers is that they're semi-interchangeable. I mean a 20th-level character can be Warblade 16/Fighter 4 (taking Ftr 4 not last but early on) and he'd still have access to 9th-level maneuvers. And the reverse is semi effective as well: a Ftr 16/WB 4 can net you 6th-level maneuvers. You also have to bear in mind that maneuvers can be taken by anyone (would it have seemed more balancing to you if Ftrs counted as initiator levels? -- a house rule to consider) and not just martial adepts.I think we've all seen straight-classed Ftr. Of course it's only with the PHB 2 released that Ftrs became a lot more competitive (and have a place to dump all their feats, even if they're just concentrating on one weapon). The WB is easier to theorycraft because you only have your maneuvers to check. What a mid-level WB must ask himself is whether he'll do more damage using a maneuver or with a full attack. And at mid-level, there's really no over-the-top maneuver. The maneuvers that come close are probably the x2 damage with a Concentration check, +2d6 fire damage if you manage to get Desert Wind maneuvers, or perhaps an extra attack with each weapon (which is part of a Full Attack so it's a nice boost since you still retain your full attack). But other than that, the main benefits of WB isn't in his offense but in his defensive capabilities or the ability to change stances (adapting to the situation).</blockquote>

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