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Warblade and Swordsage: Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="sithramir" data-source="post: 3193254" data-attributes="member: 12183"><p>The blade meditation feat gives him a +2 bonus on his class skill which for warblades happens to be concentration. That's where the other +2 comes from.</p><p></p><p>Yes. I agree a fireball is pretty powerful. But the point is that the warblade can do it several times in one combat and can then do it in every encounter. If we have several fights in one day which is typical for our group at least if we're in a specific adventure then he shines. A wizard may onle have 2-3 potential fireballs. Yes it's at range but you also can't use it if you're friends are nearby or if there are buildings nearby (assuming you actually care about the destruction of other people's property). </p><p></p><p>And so it's STILL more powerful because of that. While there are ways to deal more damage in some instances you'll be hard pressed to find a consisent way to do damage like the warblade can. The fact that he can hvae this output and outshine a paladin in saves (assuming he takes those maneuvers) is sick. Oh but he HAS to take those maneuvers? That's another benefit he has the OPTION to take other things. </p><p></p><p>You know my friend states how he feels its balanced because in our last campaign a warblade died. The funny thing is the reason he died was that he made his first fort save with his concenctration check (whatever maneuver gives that which I forget the name) and then had to make a second fort save and rolled a 1. He thinks since it's still possible the guy died it's ok. The funny thing is that another character might not have even had a chance with the first save yet alone two and this isn't including all the crazy benefits the class gets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sithramir, post: 3193254, member: 12183"] The blade meditation feat gives him a +2 bonus on his class skill which for warblades happens to be concentration. That's where the other +2 comes from. Yes. I agree a fireball is pretty powerful. But the point is that the warblade can do it several times in one combat and can then do it in every encounter. If we have several fights in one day which is typical for our group at least if we're in a specific adventure then he shines. A wizard may onle have 2-3 potential fireballs. Yes it's at range but you also can't use it if you're friends are nearby or if there are buildings nearby (assuming you actually care about the destruction of other people's property). And so it's STILL more powerful because of that. While there are ways to deal more damage in some instances you'll be hard pressed to find a consisent way to do damage like the warblade can. The fact that he can hvae this output and outshine a paladin in saves (assuming he takes those maneuvers) is sick. Oh but he HAS to take those maneuvers? That's another benefit he has the OPTION to take other things. You know my friend states how he feels its balanced because in our last campaign a warblade died. The funny thing is the reason he died was that he made his first fort save with his concenctration check (whatever maneuver gives that which I forget the name) and then had to make a second fort save and rolled a 1. He thinks since it's still possible the guy died it's ok. The funny thing is that another character might not have even had a chance with the first save yet alone two and this isn't including all the crazy benefits the class gets. [/QUOTE]
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