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<blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3193256" data-attributes="member: 43358"><p>As that is what you have been doing I assumed that you would understand.</p><p></p><p>I say this because of what I've said before, you have taken one specific point on a rather large spectrum and made decissions about the rest of the spectrum. We all make guesses based on our experiences, I just don't think you have had enough data to make a firm call.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyone up for this?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why not? The fighter has almost no skills and the ones he does have are not impressive. He has nearly no skill points and no reason to try to get more since his choice of skills are poor. This means that out of combat he is not worth much.</p><p></p><p>In combat he can be shown up by any of the other classes in the phb. Typically this means through specific builds while he can be a generalist but being a generalist is not all that rewarded. He is still king of his sandpile but without a very large selection of very good feats his sandpile is not very impressive.</p><p></p><p>Others look flashier, others have more options out of combat, others can even trump him in many areas.</p><p></p><p>In my experience the fighter is a weak class. Taking levels in it has come down to taking the hit in most every area simply to get a feat chain faster, which means no more than 2 levels of fighter ever and that is only if desperation forces it.</p><p></p><p>I have yet to see a persuasive arguement that the fighter is a well balanced class. In general it seems that for most builds one of the other classes would do it better or the same with more options. It does the best at feat chains but most feat chains are less effective than other class features. At least more books are seeing this now and making stronger high level feats. Perhaps it has changed and high level effects are good enough. That still doesnt make up for the fighters other lacks though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Slaved, post: 3193256, member: 43358"] As that is what you have been doing I assumed that you would understand. I say this because of what I've said before, you have taken one specific point on a rather large spectrum and made decissions about the rest of the spectrum. We all make guesses based on our experiences, I just don't think you have had enough data to make a firm call. Anyone up for this? Why not? The fighter has almost no skills and the ones he does have are not impressive. He has nearly no skill points and no reason to try to get more since his choice of skills are poor. This means that out of combat he is not worth much. In combat he can be shown up by any of the other classes in the phb. Typically this means through specific builds while he can be a generalist but being a generalist is not all that rewarded. He is still king of his sandpile but without a very large selection of very good feats his sandpile is not very impressive. Others look flashier, others have more options out of combat, others can even trump him in many areas. In my experience the fighter is a weak class. Taking levels in it has come down to taking the hit in most every area simply to get a feat chain faster, which means no more than 2 levels of fighter ever and that is only if desperation forces it. I have yet to see a persuasive arguement that the fighter is a well balanced class. In general it seems that for most builds one of the other classes would do it better or the same with more options. It does the best at feat chains but most feat chains are less effective than other class features. At least more books are seeing this now and making stronger high level feats. Perhaps it has changed and high level effects are good enough. That still doesnt make up for the fighters other lacks though. [/QUOTE]
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