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Warblade and Swordsage: Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="dvvega" data-source="post: 3195187" data-attributes="member: 524"><p><strong>sithramir</strong> wrote:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>One thing that might be noted is that you do not get to double your damage on criticals (or triple etc) with Insightful Strike. As far as I know, Criticals only work with normal weapon damage (c.f. Sneak Attack not multiplying).</p><p></p><p>In the SRD it states</p><p> </p><p></p><p>This would lead to the implication that only a weapon's normal damage is multiplied. </p><p></p><p>Granted this still makes his damage dealing high at 5th level (1d20 +17) but it stops the multipliers stacking.</p><p></p><p>A Fight at 5th level (wanting to realy power up) should have Weapon Specialisation. Let us assume you are using a Longsword you are doing 1d8 +6 (+2 from Specialisation +4 from Strength).</p><p></p><p>Now 1d8 +6 seems small BUT the Warblade can only do his Insightful Strike every 2 rounds consistently (the inbetween round for refreshing). This means that over the same period of time the Warblade does 1d20 + 17 while the Fighter does 2d8 + 12. Averages are 27 for Warblade, 20 for Fighter. Not too far apart in this instance but still obvious.</p><p></p><p>The minute you get to 6th level, however, things change. Warblade still does 1d20 +17 every 2 rounds while the Fighter is now doing 2d8+12 every round. That's 4d8 +24 over 2 rounds which outstrips the Warblade.</p><p></p><p>Now you stated he likes to Insightful Strike then Mountain Hammer. Then Recover. Over 3 rounds he does 1d20+17 +1d8 +2d6 +2 (assuming minimal Strength and Longsword). This averages to 39 over 3 rounds.</p><p></p><p>The Fighter comparison would do 3d8+18 which is 27 over 3 rounds.</p><p></p><p>Lets make them 6th level and the fighter is now doing 6d8+36. Which creams the Warblade.</p><p></p><p>Of course the above assumes the Fighter can hit on his 2 iterative attacks. He should have Weapon Focus and anything to help him out in this respect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dvvega, post: 3195187, member: 524"] [B]sithramir[/B] wrote: One thing that might be noted is that you do not get to double your damage on criticals (or triple etc) with Insightful Strike. As far as I know, Criticals only work with normal weapon damage (c.f. Sneak Attack not multiplying). In the SRD it states This would lead to the implication that only a weapon's normal damage is multiplied. Granted this still makes his damage dealing high at 5th level (1d20 +17) but it stops the multipliers stacking. A Fight at 5th level (wanting to realy power up) should have Weapon Specialisation. Let us assume you are using a Longsword you are doing 1d8 +6 (+2 from Specialisation +4 from Strength). Now 1d8 +6 seems small BUT the Warblade can only do his Insightful Strike every 2 rounds consistently (the inbetween round for refreshing). This means that over the same period of time the Warblade does 1d20 + 17 while the Fighter does 2d8 + 12. Averages are 27 for Warblade, 20 for Fighter. Not too far apart in this instance but still obvious. The minute you get to 6th level, however, things change. Warblade still does 1d20 +17 every 2 rounds while the Fighter is now doing 2d8+12 every round. That's 4d8 +24 over 2 rounds which outstrips the Warblade. Now you stated he likes to Insightful Strike then Mountain Hammer. Then Recover. Over 3 rounds he does 1d20+17 +1d8 +2d6 +2 (assuming minimal Strength and Longsword). This averages to 39 over 3 rounds. The Fighter comparison would do 3d8+18 which is 27 over 3 rounds. Lets make them 6th level and the fighter is now doing 6d8+36. Which creams the Warblade. Of course the above assumes the Fighter can hit on his 2 iterative attacks. He should have Weapon Focus and anything to help him out in this respect. [/QUOTE]
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