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<blockquote data-quote="sithramir" data-source="post: 3196333" data-attributes="member: 12183"><p>It was apparently answered by the sage actually is what my friend just told me. I searched quickly and didn't find it but I'm sure it's there. Anyone else know where it is?</p><p></p><p>It's taking two feats to maximize his damage (+17 from 18 con, 8 ranks, 3 skill focus, +2 blade meditation) and spending 1 of his 4 skill points on concentration. Since he's 2 up on a fighter it's not hurting him skill point wise. He's doing 1d20 + 17 on the first round. No other character can do that at 5th level. Can you make a character that can statistically do more damage? Yes. But this is only one of the many benefits of the warblade. Two weapon fighting still has to hit with many attacks and can't do it on the first round. Even with the feat to give him two attacks as a standard it won't happen.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh I just learned there's an item from Complete Adventurer called the Tunic of Steady Spellcasting. It gives a +5 to concentration checks. In the descriptoin it SPECIFICALLY says it works on all concentration checks. It costs 2500 gp.</p><p></p><p>So the fifth level character now does 1d20+22. Everyone whos' just statistically gotten close to comparison with their statistics can retry since we got a +5 boost. Did I mention he has a +22 concentration check for a will save, reflex save, or fort save if he chooses without a chance of failure now? Don't forget the d12 hps, diplomacy and tumple skills, ability to get weapon focus, weapon adaptation, etc. The only thing he's lost is a few attack points from a lower strength. The fact is this isn't a negative since for you to get damage output similar to this you either need multiple attacks, power attack, or something similar which all lower your attack bonus anyways (or your attack bonus on the second attack). </p><p></p><p>The class has the ability to deal insane damage, have the highest BAB and hps (higher since con is one of the most important stats), have the best saves in the game, gaining more or equal skill points to all other full attack bonus classes, gaining tumble and diplomacy, can get weapon specialization and other fighter feats, can change his weapon specialization (which even a fighter can't), etc, etc, etc. It's fun to play and have in the group power wise I suppose. So he has to sacrifice a round to recover these things? He can do that while full attacking still or moving (tumbling) and doing it getting to other opponents. Trying to show that a wizard or two handed fighting character can potentially out damage him is minor overall (especially since it's hard to do even statistically).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sithramir, post: 3196333, member: 12183"] It was apparently answered by the sage actually is what my friend just told me. I searched quickly and didn't find it but I'm sure it's there. Anyone else know where it is? It's taking two feats to maximize his damage (+17 from 18 con, 8 ranks, 3 skill focus, +2 blade meditation) and spending 1 of his 4 skill points on concentration. Since he's 2 up on a fighter it's not hurting him skill point wise. He's doing 1d20 + 17 on the first round. No other character can do that at 5th level. Can you make a character that can statistically do more damage? Yes. But this is only one of the many benefits of the warblade. Two weapon fighting still has to hit with many attacks and can't do it on the first round. Even with the feat to give him two attacks as a standard it won't happen. Oh I just learned there's an item from Complete Adventurer called the Tunic of Steady Spellcasting. It gives a +5 to concentration checks. In the descriptoin it SPECIFICALLY says it works on all concentration checks. It costs 2500 gp. So the fifth level character now does 1d20+22. Everyone whos' just statistically gotten close to comparison with their statistics can retry since we got a +5 boost. Did I mention he has a +22 concentration check for a will save, reflex save, or fort save if he chooses without a chance of failure now? Don't forget the d12 hps, diplomacy and tumple skills, ability to get weapon focus, weapon adaptation, etc. The only thing he's lost is a few attack points from a lower strength. The fact is this isn't a negative since for you to get damage output similar to this you either need multiple attacks, power attack, or something similar which all lower your attack bonus anyways (or your attack bonus on the second attack). The class has the ability to deal insane damage, have the highest BAB and hps (higher since con is one of the most important stats), have the best saves in the game, gaining more or equal skill points to all other full attack bonus classes, gaining tumble and diplomacy, can get weapon specialization and other fighter feats, can change his weapon specialization (which even a fighter can't), etc, etc, etc. It's fun to play and have in the group power wise I suppose. So he has to sacrifice a round to recover these things? He can do that while full attacking still or moving (tumbling) and doing it getting to other opponents. Trying to show that a wizard or two handed fighting character can potentially out damage him is minor overall (especially since it's hard to do even statistically). [/QUOTE]
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