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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3196396" data-attributes="member: 43358">The sage speaking means nothing to me. If someone can find it in the book though that would be nice.If we are going back to having the 18 constitution then yes, it is +17. Earlier the guy had 16 con, hence the +16 instead.Actually, he is attempting to do that much, he still has to get near his target and succeed at an attack roll and then whatever else might come up.And while it is true that no other character can do d20+17 there are builds which can do similar average damage.This pretty well nullfies the arguement as far as I can tell.Yes, the warblade can do other things, most of which are melee attacks. I could also say that most of them are combat only.At least he has slightly better skills than a fighter.Now it looks like you are trading your +1 weapon in for +5 potential damage every other round at most.At this point we are up to two feats, the highest level manuever available, a manuever every other round at most, single target, melee only, nearly a third of the money he has for his level, 16 point buy points, and who knows what else. I would certainly hope it is impressive!I still want to see it compared with some other guy though. How about a 5th level fighter with a two handed weapon? He will have an 18 str like your guy has an 18 for con. I am guessing that his strength will be 14 or less, especially as he is a light armor fighter. 14 strength, 14 dex, 18 con is already 28 point buy points though, I doubt he will like having 8's in everything else, especially if he wants to make use of several of his class features.Well, nail said 28 point buy. You spent 16 on con, where are the other 12 points going?</blockquote>

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