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Warblade and Swordsage: Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="sithramir" data-source="post: 3197857" data-attributes="member: 12183"><p>You don't care about what the sage says but the above logic is sound. You make a concentration check in lieu of normal damage. You're not doing any extra damage. The critical hit would multiply the normal damage. Mountain hammer gives +2d6 damage which WOULDN"T be multipled on a critical hit.</p><p></p><p>Also whoever stated that it was a 16 con with a 28 point buy. It was an 18 con for the specific case I mentioned in our game where we have a different point buy system. If you were doing a normal 28 point buy it would most likely by only a 16 to make other stats realistic.</p><p></p><p>A fighter with 16 (or 18) str fighting two handed can do decent damage but it doesn't compare to the 1d20+22 damage. Also you keep forgetting that the round when he's recharging he can do the same thing as the fighter. He can attack two handed with slightly less damage due to his lower str. AND/OR he could also add +2d6 from another strike, or get to attack two creatures at once with a strike, etc. So even if some other character can come close to averaging the damage look at what he is lacking in other areas? The fighter has a will save of 2 or so? Maybe 3-4 depending on stats and a resistance item? Compare that to +22. Same thing for reflex or fortitude saves. And the fighter's not getting any other benefits in other areas out of combat to make up for it. In fact, the warblade has diplomacy which a fighter doesn't so he can also has added role playing benefits.</p><p></p><p> You guys can debate that it's not overpowered or not but it's the sum of things that gets me. The fact that he owns combat AND get's better skill points is what bums me out. I could say (fine my fighter isn't as powerful but i'll role play him more) but the warblade's added skills helps him to be a better role player (in statistic terms). He could put one of his 3 + int + human skill points into role playing skills the same as a fighter. In the end it's about fun and I don't need to have the most powerful character to do that but it sucks that I have to ignore a few other classes because a similar build with some warblade levels can outclass it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sithramir, post: 3197857, member: 12183"] You don't care about what the sage says but the above logic is sound. You make a concentration check in lieu of normal damage. You're not doing any extra damage. The critical hit would multiply the normal damage. Mountain hammer gives +2d6 damage which WOULDN"T be multipled on a critical hit. Also whoever stated that it was a 16 con with a 28 point buy. It was an 18 con for the specific case I mentioned in our game where we have a different point buy system. If you were doing a normal 28 point buy it would most likely by only a 16 to make other stats realistic. A fighter with 16 (or 18) str fighting two handed can do decent damage but it doesn't compare to the 1d20+22 damage. Also you keep forgetting that the round when he's recharging he can do the same thing as the fighter. He can attack two handed with slightly less damage due to his lower str. AND/OR he could also add +2d6 from another strike, or get to attack two creatures at once with a strike, etc. So even if some other character can come close to averaging the damage look at what he is lacking in other areas? The fighter has a will save of 2 or so? Maybe 3-4 depending on stats and a resistance item? Compare that to +22. Same thing for reflex or fortitude saves. And the fighter's not getting any other benefits in other areas out of combat to make up for it. In fact, the warblade has diplomacy which a fighter doesn't so he can also has added role playing benefits. You guys can debate that it's not overpowered or not but it's the sum of things that gets me. The fact that he owns combat AND get's better skill points is what bums me out. I could say (fine my fighter isn't as powerful but i'll role play him more) but the warblade's added skills helps him to be a better role player (in statistic terms). He could put one of his 3 + int + human skill points into role playing skills the same as a fighter. In the end it's about fun and I don't need to have the most powerful character to do that but it sucks that I have to ignore a few other classes because a similar build with some warblade levels can outclass it. [/QUOTE]
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