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<blockquote data-quote="charlesatan" data-source="post: 3203026" data-attributes="member: 20870"><p>Firbolg and War Troll yes, they aren't core. They're the most "optimum" forms to choose from though in terms of melee combat. But I guess with core, the results are less impressive.</p><p></p><p>Gish (assuming you have access to the accessories) mainly because you're not as reliant of the party wizard and there are a couple of buffs that you can cast on yourself (i.e. wraithstrike).</p><p></p><p>Warblade can benefit from Polymorph but the thing about Polymorph is that your Str has increased, so your constant damage modifier is increasing as well (giving you much more value for your full attack). With the exception of Time Stands Still, Dancing Mongoose and Raging Mongoose, most of your maneuvers are single attacks.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I agree, Duskblade probably caps out at 5th-level. But I was just giving a 5th-level comparison to the 5th-level Warblade comparison. For a 20th-level build for example, I'd probably go more for a Sorcerer/Fighter/Eldritch Knight/Abjurant Champion build.</p><p></p><p>Here's a relatively simple (to use) 20th-level gish I built: <a href="http://charlesatan.vox.com/library/post/sample-20thlevel-pc-gish.html" target="_blank">http://charlesatan.vox.com/library/post/sample-20thlevel-pc-gish.html</a></p><p></p><p>I didn't use Polymorph/Draconic Polymorph because I didn't want to complicate the character . Basically just cast Ferocity of Sanguine Rage and Wraithstrike then you're off (don't forget you have Arcane Strike). Something to compare the 20th-level martial adepts builds (the character is far from the most optimized but it is more or less optimized with the intent of being a bit easier to handle than most spellcasters/gishes).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="charlesatan, post: 3203026, member: 20870"] Firbolg and War Troll yes, they aren't core. They're the most "optimum" forms to choose from though in terms of melee combat. But I guess with core, the results are less impressive. Gish (assuming you have access to the accessories) mainly because you're not as reliant of the party wizard and there are a couple of buffs that you can cast on yourself (i.e. wraithstrike). Warblade can benefit from Polymorph but the thing about Polymorph is that your Str has increased, so your constant damage modifier is increasing as well (giving you much more value for your full attack). With the exception of Time Stands Still, Dancing Mongoose and Raging Mongoose, most of your maneuvers are single attacks. Yes, I agree, Duskblade probably caps out at 5th-level. But I was just giving a 5th-level comparison to the 5th-level Warblade comparison. For a 20th-level build for example, I'd probably go more for a Sorcerer/Fighter/Eldritch Knight/Abjurant Champion build. Here's a relatively simple (to use) 20th-level gish I built: [url]http://charlesatan.vox.com/library/post/sample-20thlevel-pc-gish.html[/url] I didn't use Polymorph/Draconic Polymorph because I didn't want to complicate the character . Basically just cast Ferocity of Sanguine Rage and Wraithstrike then you're off (don't forget you have Arcane Strike). Something to compare the 20th-level martial adepts builds (the character is far from the most optimized but it is more or less optimized with the intent of being a bit easier to handle than most spellcasters/gishes). [/QUOTE]
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