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Warblade and Swordsage: Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="Fedifensor" data-source="post: 3206570" data-attributes="member: 7289"><p>The thing is, if the warblade gets swarmed, he has more tools to fix that problem. Particularly after 7th level, when Mithral Tornado becomes available (it's a lot less onerous to get than Whirlwind Attack). Outside of the charge feats (I won't get into how broken Leap Attack is), a warblade does more damage during the course of a combat.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Press the Advantage becomes available at 10th, which increases the warblade's 5' step to 10'. Plus, if the warblade uses Battle Leader's Charge, he does not draw AoO's for moving. Sure, he can't recover his focus that round if he charges...but he's still getting bonus damage on his attack from the maneuver.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Really, this just shows that the base fighter is really lacking. Its skills are lacking, which is why the kalashtar fighter needs to use one of his precious feats to get Concentration. The feats are useful, but as the fighter's ONLY class feature, the bonus feats are lacking compared to what most other classes offer. When is the last time you saw a high-level pure fighter in a game? Virtually every fighter I've seen multiclasses or jumps into a PrC after a few levels. The +2 damage from Greater Weapon Specialization is handy, but not going to make a huge difference at 12th level.</p><p></p><p>I understand what you're trying to say...but I simply don't believe that the fighter measures up. And the belief that the fighter is underpowered (particularly at higher levels) seems to be in the majority among D&D players. WotC has tried to fix this by offering feat chains for higher-level fighters, but they still don't measure up to the capabilities of many other classes (including the warblade).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fedifensor, post: 3206570, member: 7289"] The thing is, if the warblade gets swarmed, he has more tools to fix that problem. Particularly after 7th level, when Mithral Tornado becomes available (it's a lot less onerous to get than Whirlwind Attack). Outside of the charge feats (I won't get into how broken Leap Attack is), a warblade does more damage during the course of a combat. Press the Advantage becomes available at 10th, which increases the warblade's 5' step to 10'. Plus, if the warblade uses Battle Leader's Charge, he does not draw AoO's for moving. Sure, he can't recover his focus that round if he charges...but he's still getting bonus damage on his attack from the maneuver. Really, this just shows that the base fighter is really lacking. Its skills are lacking, which is why the kalashtar fighter needs to use one of his precious feats to get Concentration. The feats are useful, but as the fighter's ONLY class feature, the bonus feats are lacking compared to what most other classes offer. When is the last time you saw a high-level pure fighter in a game? Virtually every fighter I've seen multiclasses or jumps into a PrC after a few levels. The +2 damage from Greater Weapon Specialization is handy, but not going to make a huge difference at 12th level. I understand what you're trying to say...but I simply don't believe that the fighter measures up. And the belief that the fighter is underpowered (particularly at higher levels) seems to be in the majority among D&D players. WotC has tried to fix this by offering feat chains for higher-level fighters, but they still don't measure up to the capabilities of many other classes (including the warblade). [/QUOTE]
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