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<blockquote data-quote="prozacman" data-source="post: 3230180" data-attributes="member: 48363"><p><strong>just wanted to point out</strong></p><p></p><p>the fighter has 11 bonus feats (to the warblades 4) that could all be spent to gain as many maneuvers as the warblade knows, except that they would all be readied maneuvers. Giving the fighter more options maneuver wise than the warblade has, except for the awesome recovery technique. This would still leave him with 7 feats to do with whatever he wants.</p><p></p><p>Advantage fighter. He's still what he's alway been, king of feats. And with the PHB2 and complete warrior, and even ToB he's actually a useful party member. Can he be outshined by other folks? of course, but he always has been. The cleric with divine metamagic beats the fighter hands down.. but thats not the issue, does the warblade make him useless? no, he was already as useless as he was gonna get. But a lot of the best feats in ToB are available as fighter feats, and they can make just as maneuvery as the WB, but with more feat versitility.</p><p></p><p>corollary: one could also take adaptive style to regain all their maneuvers with a fullround action, and use their remaining feats to gain 6 stances. Giving them more readied maneuvers than everyone but the swordsage, and more versitility in which maneuvers they can choose than everyone but a master of the nine. So a fighter that puts his mind to it could have more maneuvers readied than a warblade, and just as many stances. so to become the true master of maneuvers one looses out on a couple skill points and a handful of intelligence based abilities... and lets be honest, most fighters dump intelligence anyway.</p><p>I know the warblade gets feats too.. so a fighter could take only 6 maneuvers, adaptive style, and 6 stances, and still leave you with 5 feats to do with what you wish. Like i said, complete warrior, PHB2 and Tome of Battle do a lot to make the fighter usable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prozacman, post: 3230180, member: 48363"] [b]just wanted to point out[/b] the fighter has 11 bonus feats (to the warblades 4) that could all be spent to gain as many maneuvers as the warblade knows, except that they would all be readied maneuvers. Giving the fighter more options maneuver wise than the warblade has, except for the awesome recovery technique. This would still leave him with 7 feats to do with whatever he wants. Advantage fighter. He's still what he's alway been, king of feats. And with the PHB2 and complete warrior, and even ToB he's actually a useful party member. Can he be outshined by other folks? of course, but he always has been. The cleric with divine metamagic beats the fighter hands down.. but thats not the issue, does the warblade make him useless? no, he was already as useless as he was gonna get. But a lot of the best feats in ToB are available as fighter feats, and they can make just as maneuvery as the WB, but with more feat versitility. corollary: one could also take adaptive style to regain all their maneuvers with a fullround action, and use their remaining feats to gain 6 stances. Giving them more readied maneuvers than everyone but the swordsage, and more versitility in which maneuvers they can choose than everyone but a master of the nine. So a fighter that puts his mind to it could have more maneuvers readied than a warblade, and just as many stances. so to become the true master of maneuvers one looses out on a couple skill points and a handful of intelligence based abilities... and lets be honest, most fighters dump intelligence anyway. I know the warblade gets feats too.. so a fighter could take only 6 maneuvers, adaptive style, and 6 stances, and still leave you with 5 feats to do with what you wish. Like i said, complete warrior, PHB2 and Tome of Battle do a lot to make the fighter usable. [/QUOTE]
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