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Message: <blockquote data-quote="77IM" data-source="post: 4791267" data-attributes="member: 12377">I think the key to these sorts of rituals is to make them convenient for an army to use, but inconvenient for an adventuring party to use (but not impossible -- otherwise it's an NPC-only ability and doesn't need to be written up as a ritual and is more like a trap or something).For example, Elemental Mortar caries some serious drawbacks and risks (you're slowed, down 4 surges, and just one stun away from dropping 5dX damage on your own group).  I think that if a party figures out a way to use that in an adventure, more power too them -- maybe they lob it at the orc encampment, but then maybe an orc patrol interrupts them during casting, too.I think that just making the ritual high level has the opposite effect -- it makes the ritual inconvenient for armies (because presumably there aren't that many high-level casters running around), but too convenient for PCs.  Devastation of Gruumsh, for example: any 21st-level party that has 8 hours and 8,000 residuum (not a lot at that level) and knows where their enemy is located is going to want to cast that ritual before charging in.I know you were just making up Devastation of Gruumsh off-the-cuff and could probably think up more constraints to make it balanced (like, maybe the -2 penalty only affects creatures of level 11 or lower -- pretty useless to a level 21 party).  I'm just using this example to point out the importance of such restrictions to prevent warfare rituals from become the bull's strength of 4e. -- 77IM</blockquote>

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